Scary turn with a big field

Big Folder · #1 03-04-2005, 08:08 AM

UTG+2 is terrible (stays with any pair to the river and will sometimes raise with bottom pair, ect.) but should I still play this hand out like I did given the turn and the large field?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

parappa · #2 03-04-2005, 08:11 AM

I think it's fine: you've got the implied odds to draw to your FH on the turn and I think the river is a crying call, though I'd love for someone to tell me to fold the river so I can stop leaking bets.

Thigh · #3 03-04-2005, 09:37 AM

I understand there's a possible straight on the board, but I would have bet the turn.

Isura · #4 03-04-2005, 10:14 AM

I would bet the turn. Sometimes you'll get reraised with someone with a straight, but otherwise your bet is for value against hands like A8,AT,AJ,KQ etc.

@bsolute_luck · #5 03-04-2005, 10:45 AM

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I would bet the turn. Sometimes you'll get reraised with someone with a straight, but otherwise your bet is for value against hands like A8,AT,AJ,KQ etc.

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2 newb-type things: 1st, i still don't understand what "bet is for value" means. 2nd, if there hasn't been a lot of PRF raises and the table is pretty LP, what about a raise PRF?

i agree to bet the turn and call the river UI.

edit: oh and what is a "crying call"?

jaxUp · #6 03-04-2005, 10:55 AM

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2 newb-type things: 1st, i still don't understand what "bet is for value" means. 2nd, if there hasn't been a lot of PRF raises and the table is pretty LP, what about a raise PRF?

i agree to bet the turn and call the river UI.

edit: oh and what is a "crying call"?

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Do not raise pf out of position with this hand (maybe not in position either<-- case dependant). A bet is for value when The likelihood that you have the best hand is greater than the amount of $ you are putting into the pot. eg: you are ahead 40% of the time, betting with 2 likely callers.

A crying call is when you are likely behind, but call anyways because you will be good a certain percentage of the time based on pot size. In this hand 1/14.5 times.

parappa · #7 03-04-2005, 10:58 AM

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I would bet the turn. Sometimes you'll get reraised with someone with a straight, but otherwise your bet is for value against hands like A8,AT,AJ,KQ etc.

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Then call, check/call if raised?

bottomset · #8 03-04-2005, 11:32 AM

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I think it's fine: you've got the implied odds to draw to your FH on the turn and I think the river is a crying call, though I'd love for someone to tell me to fold the river so I can stop leaking bets.

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you got the good ol fashioned immediate odds here, its a 10.5/1(exact same thing as a gutshot draw)

but you have to bet the turn, since you didn't it looks to me like you are very weak-tight and back down whenever there is a scare card, you aren't behind on the turn very often at all