JJ Hand to Talk About

mantasm · #1 03-04-2005, 01:50 AM

BB and UTG are too loose and too passive. SB just sat down. I would like comments on the flop raise and the turn fold.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero folds.

Redd · #2 03-04-2005, 02:08 AM

I'm just a little microer, but I'd be tempted to call it down against an unknown. To me, it seems like a close call, but let's wait to hear what the real poker players have to say about the hand.

Etric · #3 03-04-2005, 02:14 AM

I don't usually cap with JJ. Other than that, I would play this hand the same way.

Willluck · #4 03-04-2005, 02:21 AM

somewhat of a read dependent call but I fold this against an unknown, don't cap preflop.

Nate tha' Great · #5 03-04-2005, 02:34 AM

I'd probably call down turn and river blanks if I can do it for one bet at a time, but folding right away might be best against a straightforward opponent. His betting into you after you've capped generally indicates a lot of strength. It's not a raise for value there on the flop and you won't fold out any hands that you'd like to fold.

Nate tha' Great · #6 03-04-2005, 02:35 AM

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I'd probably call down turn and river blanks if I can do it for one bet at a time, but folding right away might be best against a straightforward opponent. His betting into you after you've capped generally indicates a lot of strength. It's not a raise for value there on the flop and you won't fold out any hands that you'd like to fold.

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BTW, the preflop cap is good. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

Chris Daddy Cool · #7 03-04-2005, 02:45 AM

i dont' like raising this flop at all.

mantasm · #8 03-04-2005, 02:49 AM

Would your answer change if the BB and UTG weren't in there calling? I don't like the flop raise very much now either.

ropey · #9 03-04-2005, 03:58 AM

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I don't usually cap with JJ.

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I think you have to cap here. Capping in this situation gives you a lot of information about SB hand...since you have position, you are forcing him to bet into your preflop cap, which generally indicates an extremely strong hand.

-ropey

ropey · #10 03-04-2005, 04:00 AM

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somewhat of a read dependent call but I fold this against an unknown, don't cap preflop.

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I think you have to cap preflop...especially because of your position. Force your opponent to bet into your preflop cap...Against a remotely normal opponent, he will not do this without a very strong hand.

-ropey