JJ, capped 4 ways, checked flop...turn decision

Fat Nicky · #1 03-03-2005, 06:58 PM

Table is really loose. Saw UTG+2 not cap w/AA a few hands earlier, then played it really fast on the flop/turn/river. No other specific reads here.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP1 calls, 6 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (8.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, Hero ????

What would you do, and what's your reasoning?

masonx · #2 03-03-2005, 07:00 PM

thats really weird. im probably just getting the hell out, either could be slowplaying QQ

Redeye · #3 03-03-2005, 07:22 PM

Were you check calling the flop?

I'll take a stab even though I have no idea what to do here. I'd probably raise the turn hoping that UTG was semi-bluffing the ace of clubs or something and try to get the hand HU since it looks like UTG+1 probably has clubs or something. If 3-bet I'd fold, otherwise if I get it HU I'm taking a free showdown on the river.

mr pink · #4 03-03-2005, 07:26 PM

well folding would be bad. i'd raise here cause i might have the best hand and i'd wanna protect it. face the field calling 2 and thin it out as well as possible.

i'm not worried about the flush just yet, he probaly has a high club and is taking a stab at it after it got checked through on the flop. if he 3-bets it or the action gets heavy after the turn raise, i think i'm done.

masonx · #5 03-03-2005, 07:50 PM

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well folding would be bad. i'd raise here cause i might have the best hand and i'd wanna protect it. face the field calling 2 and thin it out as well as possible.

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its not the UTG that worries me. Is UTG+2 capping right there with anything besides AA KK (maybe QQ)? doubtful. The fact that UTG most likely is semi-bluffing or betting with a made and hand UTG+2 most likely has A's or K's i dont think im taking this hand any further.

Unless UTG+2 caps with anything

Thats just what i think tho

mr pink · #6 03-03-2005, 07:57 PM

how about a whiffed AK?

Maura · #7 03-03-2005, 08:59 PM

i'm raising and folding to a 3-bet, hoping to get it
heads up.... is this a reasonable possibility? maybe not

i think UTG may be taking a stab after it gets checked
through on the flop, but
i don't think UTG+2 is checking the flop with AA/KK
(maybe slowplaying QQ, but a whiffed AK seems just as likely)

the other question is MP1 -- what can he have to call
the PF cap and then check the flop? another whiffed AK?
maybe an underpair?

sorry for the ramble.... guess i asked as many as i answered

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~maura

aas · #8 03-03-2005, 09:28 PM

UTG might have missed his flop check-raise. But there is still a good chance that he has AK-AJs, TT or even 99. I would raise and fold to a 3-bet.

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Fat Nicky · #9 03-03-2005, 10:08 PM

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Were you check calling the flop?

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I checked waiting to see what the pre-flop capper and MP1 who cold called 4 would do

Ice · #10 03-03-2005, 10:42 PM

Fat Nicky

I would raise the turn and Nothing is going to stop me in this 8.66bb pot. Everyone checked the flop so it APPEARS no one has a flush draw or a queen. You have the best hand raise and hope to get it head up or take it down on the turn. Best of luck. Ice