J8 in the BB

Marquis · #1 03-03-2005, 11:39 AM

CO is lousy. No good read on MP3. Anyone do anything differently?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.5.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Gambler · #2 03-03-2005, 11:43 AM

check the flop.

zuluking · #3 03-03-2005, 11:43 AM

3-bet the flop.

Marquis · #4 03-03-2005, 11:47 AM

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3-bet the flop.

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Why?

zuluking · #5 03-03-2005, 11:49 AM

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3-bet the flop.

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Why?

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To put it simply, you are ahead here more times than not. If you are ahead 50.00000000000001% of the time, then a raise is correct.

tiltaholic · #6 03-03-2005, 11:51 AM

excessive flop 3-bet, imho. spew much?

zuluking · #7 03-03-2005, 11:54 AM

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excessive flop 3-bet, imho. spew much?

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You're right. I've never made any money at this game. I'm just an ATM for other players. I'll dispense with dispensing advice.

tiltaholic · #8 03-03-2005, 12:08 PM

settle down man...have i offended you?
sorry if i did.

i don't think 3-betting is clear in this situation.
i see your explanation, but an unknown poster who raises the flop makes me question whether i am in fact good >50% of the time. and with 2 opponents, shouldn't my percentage be lower? and since this is the flop and not the river, and we have a vulnerable hand, can we even use these percentages to gauge the "correctness" of the raise? does the fact that my hand is vulnerable change anything, like should we wait for the turn perhaps since no one is folding on the flop (maybe)?

i should have voiced my concerns more explicitly instead of being snide...but am still unsure whether raising the flop is correct. and it's likely i am wrong, because i suck at this game, especially these situations. we're all trying to learn here...
-t

Valentyn · #9 03-03-2005, 12:05 PM

No concerns that MP3 has AJ or KJ?

Or is the 3bet on the flop to look for folds or raises? I'm assuming (tell me if I'm wrong) that if MP3 raises the 3bet on the flop, you'd fold this?

jnh24 · #10 03-03-2005, 11:45 AM

Unless he is a known semi-bluffer, I'd consider a turn check raise.

How many hands out there could he raise the flop with but also have a nine?