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03-01-2005, 11:17 AM
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Winning Player VP$IP 50%
Hi,
My studies still show players who play more hands with aggression are taking down the pots at $15/$30 Is this player really going to end up a long term loser? I dont think so, hes the extreme of this style of play but one of many much looser and more aggressive players than the 2+2 winners. Total hands 25,966 VP$IP 51.3% PRF 41.01% W$SD 49.65% BB/100 4.16 APH 5.49 27 losing sessions out of 82 Always plays 3 tables The biggest winners at this level all play above 40VP$IP I cant see any players with a BB/100 over 1.73 that play under VP$IP 30% 
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#2
03-01-2005, 11:41 AM
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Re: Winning Player VP$IP 50%
This is most likely just an artifact of the data. They also have the lagest variance, so if you have enough of them then by chance in any data set the largest winners will just likely be a subset of those with the highest variance unless you had an absordly large number of hands on everyone.
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#3
03-01-2005, 12:07 PM
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Re: Winning Player VP$IP 50%
So its pure coincidince that not 1 tight player is running above 1.73BB/100 over 7000 hands and that all the players over 3BB are 40VP ?
Has been same trend from the start,
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#7
03-01-2005, 02:05 PM
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Re: Winning Player VP$IP 50%
Im highlighting 1 player, first I will answer questions on this 1 player:
[ QUOTE ] Please post this player's Standard Deviation/100 hands. You can find this figure in the more detail button on the session notes tab. [/ QUOTE ] Standard Deviation/100 hands. $820.88 27.3628 Big Bets Not sure how to get screenshots [ QUOTE ] who are the biggest losers? [/ QUOTE ] I dont look at the biggest losers, they are potentially bad players, if they not ill see them as they rise into winners. [ QUOTE ] excel, how many vpip>40 pfr>30 players are losing after 10k hands? [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what this tells u, Greater than 40 vpip 1 4 winners 2 losers Greater than 30 vpip 10 winners 8 losers, note top 2 winners won more than all losers put together [ QUOTE ] how many players are you tracking, and how did you select them again? are you keeping up with the losers also? [/ QUOTE ] At the moment Im looking at players who have played over 7000 hands, 39 players, 22 winners, 17 losers 8 of the winners play over 40vpip 4 of the losers play over 40vpip average bb/100 of all of those 12 players is 1.97 8 players play less than 30 vpip 6 are winners 2 are losers average bb/100 of those players is 0.84 [ QUOTE ] wasnt your selection method biased... so isnt your study basically poop [/ QUOTE ] hows my selection method biased? Im constantly looking at the biggest winning players, have been for weeks now and the winning players keep on winning. [ QUOTE ] also, if i remember correctly didnt you tell us of 3 players like this in a previous post about your study? what happened to the other 2? is he the only one left standing? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I talked of 3 players, 1 has fallen to a bb/100 of 1.16, also W$SD of 47, which explains a bit of the fall. however theres now a total of 6 players over 40vpip who are performing very well. Heres a view of the top players in order of bb/100 Hands, vpip, pfr Player 1: 8361/44/21/5 Player 2: 9472/54/36/4 Player 3: 25,966/51/41/4 this player i highlighted above Player 4: 9838/47/19/3 player 5: 33,456/40/24/3 player 6: 15,801/49/19/3 player 7: 13,563/34/18/3 player 8: 7728/45/24/2 Most of these winning players never talk at the tables, the one that did appears most human in that appears to have some sort of tilt with W$SD of 47, most play 2- 3 tables at all times.
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#8
03-01-2005, 02:08 PM
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Re: Winning Player VP$IP 50%
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[ QUOTE ] wasnt your selection method biased... so isnt your study basically poop [/ QUOTE ] hows my selection method biased? Im constantly looking at the biggest winning players . . . [/ QUOTE ] A statistician, you are not.
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#9
03-01-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: Winning Player VP$IP 50%
[ QUOTE ]
Yes I talked of 3 players, 1 has fallen to a bb/100 of 1.16, also W$SD of 47, which explains a bit of the fall. however theres now a total of 6 players over 40vpip who are performing very well. Heres a view of the top players in order of bb/100 Hands, vpip, pfr Player 1: 8361/44/21/5 Player 2: 9472/54/36/4 Player 3: 25,966/51/41/4 this player i highlighted above Player 4: 9838/47/19/3 player 5: 33,456/40/24/3 player 6: 15,801/49/19/3 player 7: 13,563/34/18/3 player 8: 7728/45/24/2 [/ QUOTE ] Have you considered that rather than finding the best natural winners at 15/30 you have identified the best colluders instead? Just a thought.
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#10
03-01-2005, 03:15 PM
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Re: Winning Player VP$IP 50%
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I dont look at the biggest losers, they are potentially bad players, if they not ill see them as they rise into winners. [/ QUOTE ] How can you think that you can draw any valid conclusions about a playing style if you only single out the winners? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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