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Old 03-01-2005, 03:57 AM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default TT on a paired board/w overcard

I'm pretty sure I botched this hand pretty badly but I want to make sure. Always confused with situations like this. First orbit, no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero..

Also, a plan for the rest of the hand assuming I stay in.
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Old 03-01-2005, 04:03 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

i call the bet and fold to anymore UTG aggression without set
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Old 03-01-2005, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

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i call the bet and fold to anymore UTG aggression without set

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I was puzzled by this hand, so can you provide more explanation please? You aren't getting odds to draw and a bluffer will often fire again on the turn. Why is your line better than raising and folding to a 3-bet or stop and go, or just calling down. Or even folding right there?
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Old 03-01-2005, 04:37 AM
Chris Daddy Cool Chris Daddy Cool is offline
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

whats your read on UTG? folding here is too weak so you should raise and see whats up. this isn't neccessarily a case of way behind or way ahead, though it potentially can be if he has a pp&lt;10. but hte problem is the bb is in the hand as well and you'd hate to give him a cheap look to spike an A,K, or J. HU i would call down, 3 way I would raise to force the other guy out adn then you see what action develops from there, which usually means value betting the big streets.
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Old 03-01-2005, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

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whats your read on UTG? folding here is too weak so you should raise and see whats up. this isn't neccessarily a case of way behind or way ahead, though it potentially can be if he has a pp&lt;10. but hte problem is the bb is in the hand as well and you'd hate to give him a cheap look to spike an A,K, or J. HU i would call down, 3 way I would raise to force the other guy out adn then you see what action develops from there, which usually means value betting the big streets.

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I like this line too.
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Old 03-01-2005, 05:44 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

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whats your read on UTG? folding here is too weak so you should raise and see whats up. this isn't neccessarily a case of way behind or way ahead, though it potentially can be if he has a pp&lt;10. but hte problem is the bb is in the hand as well and you'd hate to give him a cheap look to spike an A,K, or J. HU i would call down, 3 way I would raise to force the other guy out adn then you see what action develops from there, which usually means value betting the big streets.

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Say you raise and you get the BB to fold and the other guy calls so now it's HU. How do you act if:

-The turn is a scare card and he bets into you
-The turn is a non-scare card and he bets into you
-The turn is a scare card and he checks to you
-The turn is a non-scare card and he checks to you

I assume your answer will be to bet on the last two scenarios so i'm mainly interested in the first two.
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Old 03-01-2005, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

I've been folding in these situations lately. Mainly, because a well respected poster advised me to do so in a similar situation, though, not exactly the same. But I think folding is correct, because, of reverse implied odds.

It will cost you 2 bb for showdown and at best you will win 5.5 bb. I think UTG has you beat more than a third of the time. In my recent experience, which i realize is biased due to chance, UTG has you beat about half the time.
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Old 03-01-2005, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

I raise to eliminate any more overcards and muck to a 3 bet or if he leads out the turn.
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Old 03-01-2005, 09:35 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

Raise the flop. If 3-bet, then fold. If BB calls 2 cold on the flop, prepare to check/fold the turn. If HU with UTG, then bet turn and river unless more broadway cards hit.
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Old 03-01-2005, 09:42 AM
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Default Re: TT on a paired board/w overcard

I'm just curious as to what you would consider a scare card? Once you get it heads-up you're either way behind a Q or 4 or way ahead of a smaller pocket pair. Seeing another Q or 4 just make a smaller pocket pair more likely.
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