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Old 02-26-2005, 05:05 PM
QTip QTip is offline
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Default Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

OK..before someone says "Raise PF"...I didn't want to because of all the limpers in this hand and my position (Page 73 footnotes of SSHE).

Anyway, I really like my hand and my position to the flop bettor...would you take their money now and raise here or wait for the bigger street? The answer seemed clear in my mind, but I wanted to make sure that I didn't make a mistake here.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

my position...the button...not bad before someone says that...I just know the blinds are loose and they're coming along for 6 to the flop.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

raise the flop. there's no guarantee you'll get bet into on the turn, so make them pay now. plus, you'll be charging a flush draw as much as possible.

and raise preflop.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

Doubtful the SB will 3 bet any hands you're ahead of. Easy raise, no one is going anywhere.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

You know the blinds coming along is a bad thing for you right?

You need to raise this PF. The flop is closer, in fact a call isn't bad at all with your Kd redraw. I would just call hoping to raise a good turn card.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

Really? Am I missing somehting here? I don't see any draws folding the turn anyways, so why not raise now?
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

I think with 4 limpers I dont mind the limp.

Theres no real way to protect your hand here. The strength of your hand isnt going to change a ton based on the turn card, so I would simply vote for raising now and getting your value in.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

We can get more money in when we have the best hand and get less money in when we're just drawing. In this particular case raising the flop is probably just as good, but if a diamond comes on the turn I really don't want to get c/r'ed and have to pay 2BB to see the river when I'm probably behind.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

Sounds pretty monsters under the bed to me.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

So if you raise this flop, a diamond comes and you bet and get check/raised you think it's irrational to think you're behind?
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