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Old 02-26-2005, 03:53 PM
Sponger15SB Sponger15SB is offline
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Default Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (15 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
convertor cut it off but basically i check, other guy checks, late position bets and we both call.

someone was all in on the turn as well.

Final Pot: 15 BB
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Old 02-26-2005, 03:54 PM
Sponger15SB Sponger15SB is offline
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

Anyways, I tried to check raise the flop and that didn't turn out well, so I decided to call and bet out on the turn, then when the button raised I tried to knock some people out by 3-betting....
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Old 02-26-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

What were you trying to do on the flop? If you were trying to protect your hand by a c/r after a late position bet, don't bother. Just bet the flop. And if you wussed out on a c/r because the bet came from your left, don't bother. c/r for value.

Your hand is strong but vulnerable to overcards, don't screw around with it.
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Old 02-26-2005, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

Since I played it how I did, what do you think of the turn 3-bet?
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Old 02-26-2005, 04:39 PM
ClaytonN ClaytonN is offline
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

Your converter didn't cut it off, your river play is included in your turn play.

In any case, I really think you screwed yourself over on the flop, which dictated how the turn and river went about. I'd have auto-bet the flop, no need to get tricky.
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Old 02-26-2005, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

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Since I played it how I did, what do you think of the turn 3-bet?

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Well, it depends somewhat on the button. You checked the flop and the came out betting a turn card that very likely didn't improve your situation at all. If he is doing any thinking about your hand, then the 3-bet is poor. But... this is .5/1, so fearing a thinking opponent is usual bad form. The 3bet gives gutshots sketchy odds to see the river. You also have some hidden outs to beat the two-pair hands he might be holding, and you hold two of the important cards for making straights on that board. And you have your own gutshot to improve. Overall, I think it's fine after the way the flop went.
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Old 02-26-2005, 05:30 PM
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

Bet and 3-bet the flop.
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Old 02-26-2005, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

Silly question, but is raising JJ from SB correct play? Where do you just call pocket pairs from SB versus raising?
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Old 02-26-2005, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: Wow I SUCK HARD ..... JJ .5/1

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Silly question, but is raising JJ from SB correct play? Where do you just call pocket pairs from SB versus raising?

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AA-TT is a definite raise. 99 is borderline, 88-22 are completes.
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Old 02-26-2005, 06:08 PM
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Bet and 3-bet the flop.

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This really solves all his problems doesn't it? I think w/a vulnerable hand you want to bet out moreso than try for the check raise.
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