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Old 02-25-2005, 09:52 PM
brick brick is offline
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Default Should I raise with the nut straight?

I played a hand that got me thinking.

I'm in the BB.
A few fold and two players limp.
A new player to the table raises. This is his first hand but I know him and I know that he will do this will every hand.

The Button calls. The SB Calls.

I 3-bet with AJo because I have one of the better hands at this point.

New player caps it and everyone calls.

6 players at 4 bets each.

Flop: Kd Qh Tc

SB bets, I call ...

How important is it to raise?

I have created a spreadsheet to help analyze this situation, and similar situations.

It's called the Big Pot EV Calulator:

http://help_please1.tripod.com/
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Old 02-25-2005, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

I have no idea what your post says, but yes.
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Old 02-25-2005, 10:22 PM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

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I have no idea what your post says, but yes.

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Nobody is going anywhere in this pot, and you raising does not mean they are going to fold and not give you any turn sized bets. Get your bets in before a jack falls and you have to share or something equally tragic. Keep betting every chance you get until you think someone has a better hand. Then bet some more.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:04 PM
DemonDeac DemonDeac is offline
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

id probably call too, banking on a raise behind you from the new player who u described as aggressive. then slap him around with another raise after everyone has already cold called his raise
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:11 PM
Fat Nicky Fat Nicky is offline
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

Pot is huge, big cards on the flop...it's likely someone hit the board. Raise now and get as many bets in as you can.
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Old 02-26-2005, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

Agree - people will call your bets so get the most for your hand
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Old 02-26-2005, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

You're right, I wanted to 3 bet the aggressive player. It didn't work out that way.
In retrospect it's best to raise right there on the flop.
If they are going to call 1 bet, then they are probably going to call 2, which means more money for me.

The more bets I can get in ASAP the better.
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Old 02-26-2005, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

Plus the pot will be bigger and they'll feel "pot-comitted."
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Old 02-26-2005, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

Think about this. Your end goal is to get the most money out of the pot.

If you raise on the flop, likely to get reraised, and thus make people feel as if they are "pot committed".

If you call, and then get stuck inbetween or whatever on the flop, then raise on the flop if the SB bets, you have a better chance of killing your action and having people fold, that's not the point, when you have it killed, especially on a rainbow flop.
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Old 02-26-2005, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: Should I raise with the nut straight?

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Keep betting every chance you get until you think someone has a better hand. Then bet some more.

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lol, I like this saying.
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