An easy call?

[Loci]

Play is in a backroom game. Players have been medium/poor quality in the past, often wreckless. Blinds are only 1/2, but the average stack is about 400-450. I bought in at 600 (I have another buy in on reserve) because I want to have the table covered. House owner (BB) is the only great player that I have seen in past visits, but there are 3 or 4 new faces. House owner is the only one who has me covered. 9 handed.
First two cards looked at are A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG-folds
Hero- raises to 25.
MP 1-folds
MP 2- Pushes all in, 220.
LP 1- Pushes all in, 480.
LP 2- folds
Button- Pushes all in, 575.
SB- Pushes all in for 380
BB- Pushes all in for 700.
Hero...

Okay, simplistically, I have aces, and am in front, so the call is mandatory, right? (short of being Tommy A. and folding for principal sake...)My dilema was this: This is a table I can beat. Is there an argument that I should fold this hand? With six all in bets, I have to assume that my other bullets are gone so they aren't improving short of a four flush. If I lose half of what I bought on the first hand, with a decreasingly marginal lead, I'll spend the rest of the night trying to break even, instead of capitalizing on their generally mediocre play.

Results in white: <font color="white">
Hero calls the all in for 600.
MP2 shows Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
LP1 shows 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Button shows 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB shows Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB shows A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Flop 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
River 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero and BB split the monster, 1400+ a piece. </font>

[iceman5]

Thats one of the craziest things Ive ever seen. I know what youre saying about knowing you can out play the table (obviosuly after seeing these morons)....but Im not folding AA in a cash game under any circumstance.

The only way you would ever want to fold AA in a cash game that I can think of is if you were playing way over your bankroll and wanted more of a sure thing (Like AA or KK all in preflop, but heads up).

Im sure thats not the case here. I wouldnt be overly confident agaisnt that many hands, but youre obviously still the favorite and getting a huge price on your money. Easy call for me.

[The_Bends]

I might consider folding if I have only one bankroll otherwise this is too sweet to pass up. I'd call

[etizzle]

fold and wait until you know you have the best hand

[AZK]

Yeah you gotta call, and bring more money to this game. If you don't feel comfortable bringing a ton of money to this side game then push anyway and if you bust rebuy and just play. There is always next week to capitalize on their mistakes, you are properly bankrolled for this game and can always out play the players, so I don't think you should ever give up a +EV situation in a cash game in order to play in a ++EV situation, it's cash, it will always be there.

[Dr. Strangelove]

If you feel certain the other AA is out you can fold here, especially if you are way better than the other players and have a limited amount of money with you at the time. Check this out: (in your actual case equity is about 22%)


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=793419
pokenum -h ah ac - ad as - td th - jc js - 6c 7c - kd kh
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ah 8147 1.24 481146 73.12 168715 25.64 0.140
As Ad 13623 2.07 475670 72.29 168715 25.64 0.148
Td Th 90789 13.80 565979 86.01 1240 0.19 0.138
Js Jc 110390 16.78 546378 83.04 1240 0.19 0.168
7c 6c 137593 20.91 519175 78.90 1240 0.19 0.209
Kd Kh 128751 19.57 528017 80.24 1240 0.19 0.196

AA a dog to KK AND JJ AND 76s.

[sik_wit_iit]

but as long as he beats the button and big blind he comes out about even, even if someone else beats him.

[sik_wit_iit]

and i bet the bb had KK, im curious to see what happened this hand

[Mad Genius1]

Maybe this isn't an issue but an argument towards folding would be if you don't know the people at the game very well. If the first hand I saw was AA and there was such crazy action I would be afraid of collusion and might fold the hand. Call me crazy but I see too many home games where there is collusion/cheating going on so if I'm not 100% sure and trust the people that play the game I would fold to be on the safe side.

If you know this isn't an issue then it's an easy call no matter what.

[Dr. Strangelove]

He'll come out ahead no doubt if he beats the button and the big blind, but these should be the least likely people he is ahead of, as they moved in after all the action.

I'm probably never folding in this situation, but if the bb were the kind of player who could only have aces here, I would consider it, especially if the game was as good as it clearly was and my funds were limited.