Sucks to be you, LAG-boy. (kinda low content)

Grisgra · #1 02-25-2005, 10:42 AM

It's just so rare that I actually win a hand with a mere top pair after being check-raised on the turn, I felt I had to post this. Nice to confirm that being a donk preflop occasionally costs you $$.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: "Hero" is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, "Hero" raises, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, "Hero" bets, CO folds, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, "Hero" bets, Button calls, UTG raises, "Hero" calls, Button calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, "Hero" calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qc 8d (one pair, queens).
"Hero" has Kh Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: "Hero" wins 14.25 BB.

Danenania · #2 02-25-2005, 04:05 PM

Stop being so negative about your play all the time. Get it together man!

kendal14 · #3 02-25-2005, 05:57 PM

Is 3 betting the turn a valid play here? Or were you trying to keep the button in? I would 3 bet the turn to try to get button out in case he picked up a straight draw.

I do not think you need to fear a AQ here, but a two pair from the UTG would not suprise me. Even if he caught his 2 pair, don't you have enough equity to try to push the Button out?

Sorry if this seems like a stupid question/line but I am jumping into the HUSH scene and trying to wrap my head around it.

Grisgra · #4 02-25-2005, 06:01 PM

I haven't played a ton of 10/20 but I know enough to say that if the button picked up an OESD straight draw, or an inside-straight draw + Ace, he's not folding for two bets.

That said, if I had had a better read on this guy at the time I would have realized he pushes half-decent hands way too far, and reraised. But turn-checkraises scare the hell out of me. I figured him for Q9 or KJ.

kendal14 · #5 02-25-2005, 07:54 PM

I understand your reasoning that the Button would not fold if he picked up the draws. However, wouldn't that also argue for a 3bet as you would want to charge him for it?

ALL1N · #6 02-25-2005, 10:49 PM

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I understand your reasoning that the Button would not fold if he picked up the draws. However, wouldn't that also argue for a 3bet as you would want to charge him for it?

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There arises the problem that you're actually usually behind after this checkraise, and you don't want a 4-bet since you've got live outs.

Grisgra · #7 02-25-2005, 11:10 PM

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I understand your reasoning that the Button would not fold if he picked up the draws. However, wouldn't that also argue for a 3bet as you would want to charge him for it?

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There arises the problem that you're actually usually behind after this checkraise, and you don't want a 4-bet since you've got live outs.

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Exactly.