pumping a draw

[young nut]

Most of the players at the table were too loose and many were call stations. What I'm mainly wondering about is my flop and river play. I think I wussed out on the river, but with that many people in on a 4-flush board, I couldn't help but think they were looking for a boat.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (26.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 26.50 BB

[Sir Limps Alot]

I would have bet the river and called a raise if it came my way.

[Trix]

Bet the river.

[Redeye]

Cap the flop, bet the river.

[young nut]

I think my fear of the boat on the river came from the fact that most of these players were very passive on the flop. The fact that they all got aggressive on the flop kinda forced me to think that way by the river.

[young nut]

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Cap the flop, bet the river.

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A lot of you are saying bet the river, I'm just curious for some reasoning behing that. What would you possibly put the other passive players on that I would be ahead of? A weaker diamond? I was pretty sure the guy on my left hit his flush on the turn as well, so I figured he had the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or maybe the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] But the other two in the hand I just couldn't think to myself that they would be in with a small flush.

[runa]

You have to bet this river. You have a very strong flush, and I certainly can see K, Q, J or even T sticking around to the river here. If you're up against the straight flush, they would have capped the turn. I have no idea with all the previous action that anyone in front of you would have tried to CR you on the river if they indeed filled up. I think you have to bet and let them convince you you're behind otherwise. Checking through this river is easily a 2-3 BB mistake, which can't be ignored. Seeing monsters methinks.

[young nut]

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You have to bet this river. You have a very strong flush, and I certainly can see K, Q, J or even T sticking around to the river here. If you're up against the straight flush, they would have capped the turn. I have no idea with all the previous action that anyone in front of you would have tried to CR you on the river if they indeed filled up. I think you have to bet and let them convince you you're behind otherwise. Checking through this river is easily a 2-3 BB mistake, which can't be ignored. Seeing monsters methinks.

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I don't know about seeing monsters, I just kept saying to myself "PLEASE don't pair the board on the river" Its hard for me to believe that those others would be staying around for 3 bb's on the turn with only a 10 or lower flush...and I was almost certain I wasn't up against the stragiht flush b/c the turn would definitely be capped. The other possibility I put them on was maybe chasing a straight flush? But I thought that as highly unlikely.

If it was just me and the guy on my left at the river, I could have bet and probably 3-bet. But with 4 players in the hand, I just have a hard time putting all 4 on flushes.

[The-Matador]

Bet the river you fool.

[Shillx]

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Bet the river.

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