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02-22-2005, 05:09 PM
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20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
playing Saturday at 20-40 commerce in the worst area of the casino - some small group of 5 tables they set up near the even more degenerate no bust blackjack area - becasue the LA Poker Classic is on andthere are too many games higher than 20-40 to fill 60 tables in the high limit room.
the game is great, average 5-7 to the flop for 2 or more bets, except for the 50's white clean shaven ipod-wearing guy just to my left. He's only been in 4 hands, all of which he has 3 bet or raised-capped when it got back to him, and has bet the whole way, even value betting vary scary boards, and never showing his hand because no one calls him on the river. After every one ofhis hands I have said "nice hand," and he doesn't respond. (i don't think he likes people) anyway onto the hand, I get QQ and UTG+1 raises (pretty solid lady but a little too losse postflop), I 3-bet, and Villain immediatly 4-bets, folded to super loose retard in the SB who asks me "do you want me to call" and i respond "you don't whatever you want," so he calls. lady calls and 4 of us to the flop 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] checked to Villain who bets, all call turn: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] checked to Villain who bets, all call river 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] checked to Villain who bets, SB folds, UTG fold A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] face up, I call comments? 
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#2
02-22-2005, 05:15 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
wow you got to play your overpair harder than this man. just because it was capped preflop doesnt necessarily mean aces or kings are lurking. you cant let all the players chase to their draws at odds these great.
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#4
02-22-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
In these situations, I'm going to bet either the flop or the turn. If the pre-flop capper raises, I'm not necesssarily unhappy about it with my vulnerable queens. With the flop rainbow raggedy, I think I'd bet out right there.
Here's hoping he had pocket jacks.
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#5
02-22-2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
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The game is great, average 5-7 to the flop for 2 or more bets, except for the 50's white clean shaven ipod-wearing guy just to my left. He's only been in 4 hands, all of which he has 3 bet or raised-capped when it got back to him, and has bet the whole way, even value betting vary scary boards, and never showing his hand because no one calls him on the river. After every one ofhis hands I have said "nice hand," and he doesn't respond. (i don't think he likes people) [/ QUOTE ] This guy must be one of those poker bots I keep hearing about.
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#6
02-22-2005, 07:41 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
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Hi Klepton, Did you consider betting the flop so villian could raise out SB and UTG, and then play accordingly? [/ QUOTE ] bet out the flop if you're worried you might be behind c/r the flop if you think you are ahead (as you're trapping everyone else) stealthcow-
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#8
02-22-2005, 09:34 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
Checkraising the flop seems like it would be the most equitable move given that villian is essentially an unknown who could be playing a fairly wide (for a tag) range of hands. When you are ahead, you are padding the pot by getting some more money in, and when you are ahead, you get more money in. Also, its very likely that if you are ahead, your opponents are holding each others outs.
peace john nickle
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#9
02-22-2005, 09:55 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
id rather never play poker again than not checkraise the turn there. checkraising the turn there with all those people in with a big overpair is what being good at limit hold em is all about. if 4 better has you beat than so be it, but it's just too great of a set up to not checkraise there.
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#10
02-22-2005, 10:01 PM
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Re: 20-40 Commerce Cold 4 Bet
if i were to check raise the flop and i get 3-bet, i'm still calling down right?
i can't do the math but the only hands i could put him on was AA, KK, AKs, QQ, JJ... after he bet the river the only hands I put him on was AA, KK, QQ, JJ, no player like that would bet into 4 opponenets with AK... i figured i want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible, was i wrong?
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