2nd pair- how's my line?

BellyBuster7 · #1 02-22-2005, 04:30 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP3 checks, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP3 folds.

River: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

I'm still working on how to play/when to get away from second pair hands like this. I was hoping for a safe card on the river so I could value bet, but the Jack was a scare card. What's your river play on this one?

GrunchCan · #2 02-22-2005, 04:36 PM

Bet the river. Nobody checked TP twice. It's very likely that you have the best hand.

Edit: I suppose button could have a weak TP, but I still bet for value. Just as often, he'll have just an A.

BellyBuster7 · #3 02-22-2005, 04:42 PM

I've been getting popped a lot lately by people hitting trips and/or waiting until the turn or river to bet their hands. So when the river Jack hit, I was fully expecting J2o or something similar to speak up. This is weak thinking and I know it.

davelin · #4 02-22-2005, 04:44 PM

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I've been getting popped a lot lately by people hitting trips and/or waiting until the turn or river to bet their hands. So when the river Jack hit, I was fully expecting J2o or something similar to speak up. This is weak thinking and I know it.

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It would be strange for Villain to hold a J here unless he's really passive.

BellyBuster7 · #5 02-22-2005, 04:45 PM

Button was one of those "tricky" type guys, that's really my only defense.

Then again, this could be looked at as a brilliant way to induce a bluff, but that's not what was going on in my head when I made the play.

AlmightyJay · #6 02-22-2005, 04:46 PM

I would bet the river; I don't think the J is a scare card. Villian is probably doing a typical "bluff at a paired board" play.

davelin · #7 02-22-2005, 04:46 PM

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Button was one of those "tricky" type guys, that's really my only defense.

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Even tricky players tend to bet their TP hands when checked to them on the flop.

imported_leader · #8 02-22-2005, 04:47 PM

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but the Jack was a scare card.

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It really isn't. Given the action, it's very ulikely that someone has a J. Therefore, you should be beating here.

GrunchCan · #9 02-22-2005, 05:09 PM

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I've been getting popped a lot lately by people hitting trips and/or waiting until the turn or river to bet their hands. So when the river Jack hit, I was fully expecting J2o or something similar to speak up. This is weak thinking and I know it.

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It's actually results-oriented thinking. You've inadvertantly stumbled on the very reason why we say the results don't matter. They don't change the correctness of a poker line.

Shillx · #10 02-22-2005, 05:10 PM

You really need to get in the habit of betting flops like this (as you move up levels). Think of all the good things that can happen...someone folds a hand like A9, you get a free card, you might even pick up the pot with a bet.

Brad