KK in the SB

mdeck · #1 02-22-2005, 12:38 PM

Villain is a LP/A, 50/5/1.4, Turn/River aggression 2.25/3.5

Is there any other way I could have played this? Should I have check/called or called his raise on the river?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: (4 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

IsaacW · #2 02-22-2005, 12:57 PM

BB only needs to be bluffing (or raising top pair) here 10% of the time to make this a profitable call, and his river aggression is 3.5. I'm probably calling this, but I have a tendency to overplay one pair hands; take this advice with a grain of salt.

Others?

TALLBrad · #3 02-22-2005, 12:58 PM

Not much you could have done different because of your position. I typically make the call of the raise expecting to get beat. Occasionaly I don't.

AlmightyJay · #4 02-22-2005, 01:01 PM

I would check/call the river. Is that wrong?

SeeWillie · #5 02-22-2005, 01:12 PM

Agreed. Especially with that River aggression number. Call for one more.

Anyone like a check/call on the River? Too much of a value bet? I am still struggling on this concept. With the high aggression number and loose PF play, this guy must fold a fair bit since aggression is calculated by (raise + bet)/call. I tend to think he will fold the hands you beat, raise the hands that beat you. Plus with his aggression, you may induce a bluff or a bet by a lower pair.

If I am wrong, what about this hand makes it a value bet instead of a check/call?

edit: well, Jay beat me to the check/call question. Any help?

gvibes · #6 02-22-2005, 01:24 PM

I don't think it's a horrible fold, but I don't think it's one I could make at this point. I would need a better read before making this fold, especially against a LP/A.

I definitely value bet the river. I think worse hands will call.

I'm thinking villain had 76 here.

EDIT: Why do I bet the river? Because I think I have the best hand, and I think worse hands will call. I also notice a weird proclivity of micro players to call with broken draws on the river (if villain was on a flush draw - actually, that's another possible hand, 2 hearts, including 5h) just for information.

mdeck · #7 02-22-2005, 01:28 PM

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I don't think it's a horrible fold, but I don't think it's one I could make at this point. I would need a better read before making this fold, especially against a LP/A.

I definitely value bet the river. I think worse hands will call.

I'm thinking villain had 76 here.

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My read was that this guy would like to call down on drawing hands, and then get aggressive once he hit them. With 4 to a sraight on the board, I figured he had to have me beat, especially after calling down. I figured that if I was beat, he'd raise, and he would call with at least a pair. I put him on 2 pair or a straight, FWIW.

gvibes · #8 02-22-2005, 01:32 PM

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My read was that this guy would like to call down on drawing hands, and then get aggressive once he hit them. With 4 to a sraight on the board, I figured he had to have me beat, especially after calling down. I figured that if I was beat, he'd raise, and he would call with at least a pair. I put him on 2 pair or a straight, FWIW.

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Is there any chance he would bluff raise a broken heart draw here? It's actually quite a nice place for a bluff raise, as 4 to a straight is a prettys scary board. The more I think about this the more I don't like the fold.

Then again, I'm not good. Let's hope that the monkey or someone good replies.

gopnik · #9 02-22-2005, 02:49 PM

I would check call here. Your check can induce a bluff on this scary board (plus he probably put you on overcards).
I don't like bet/fold strategy. If I decided to bet, I would call his raise.