Allin Raise from a Very Tight Player

[Utah]

5/10

Villian has $700 and I have him covered.

I have J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the big blind

Tight player limps in the cutoff. Button limps. I check

Flop is: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet $15. Any more and these guys are usually folding.

Only the tight player in the cutoff calls.

Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

I bet bet $50. He raises to $175. This shocks me as I havent seen him raise anything all day. I simply have no idea what he has but I dont like the idea of pushing here. I call.

River is a blank. I check. He pushs. I fold

Anything wrong with my line?

[FoxwoodsFiend]

Call the turn, throw out a blocking bet on the river. If you think he's got such a good hand that he's going to raise your blocking bet every time and you shouldn't bother making it, you should fold the turn. Since you can't call a big bet on the river once you call you need to try slowing him down and getting to a showdown.

[NLfool]

the board is TJQ and you're wondering what a tight player has? I think you already know you're most likely toast while you have bottom 2 pair. I would put no more money in this pot, I would not even call the turn as you are almost assured of facing a monster bet nor can your boat outs make you that sure that you'll win.

[AJo Go All In]

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I bet bet $50. He raises to $175. This shocks me as I havent seen him raise anything all day. I simply have no idea what he has

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i'll give you a hint, it's not J3.

[Lawrence Ng]

Hi Utah,

I would say 80 percent he has AK or 44 here. You must fold the turn given your description of the player and how he may very likley fold if the board pairs on the river and you won't get paid off even if you spike your 4 outer.

No point tangling with a dibby 2 pair here.

Lawrence

[Utah]

The problem is that the most likely hand I put him on on the turn is K,Q, giving him top pair with the draw. 4,4 is the second most likely. A,K is less likely because I dont see him open limping from the cutoff with A,K.

He would probably check the K,Q on the river and he wouldnt immediately commit everything with 4,4. Therefore A,K it is.

After the hand:
Me "your A,K is good"
Him "I missed my draw"
Me "There was no draw you could miss. I know you better than that"
Him "You had two pair"
Me "If you pushed a broken draw there than you are a better player than me"

[thatpfunk]

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I would say 80 percent he has AK or 44 here.

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even tight players raise AK when folded to in the CO [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[creedofhubris]

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Hi Utah,

I would say 80 percent he has AK or 44 here. You must fold the turn given your description of the player and how he may very likley fold if the board pairs on the river and you won't get paid off even if you spike your 4 outer.

No point tangling with a dibby 2 pair here.

Lawrence

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I think it's 89 (limp preflop, open-end on flop) far more often than it's AK.

You're still beat, fold.

[Kaz The Original]

Why did you call the turn?

[mgsimpleton]

The thing about calling and throwing out a blocking bet is that if villain was on a draw, it seems too easy for him to push all in here and take it down because it would smell too much like a blocking bet.

If he just calls the turn raise out of position, villain has to think he is on a draw of some sort or unsure about his hand - or else why would he not reraise here? So with the river blank, how can villain reasonably put hero on a hand he is comfortable enough with, given the lack of improvement on the river? I think it's a reraise on the turn or a fold, read dependent, but I would fold. I just think a blocking river bet is too transparent.