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Old 09-08-2002, 01:11 AM
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Default But I was soooooted !!!

Paradise: $2/$4

An early player open-raise (5 off the button) - I call (4 off) w/ KsQs - both blinds calls. 4 players and 8 small bets in pot.

FLOP: [ 3s Js 4h ] ... a flush-draw and two over-cards.

The blinds checks - EP bets - I raise - SB cold-calls (!?) and EP calls - BB folds. 3 players and 7 big bets in pot.

TURN: [ 3s Js 4h ] [ Kc ] ... top-pair w/ good kicker and a flush-draw.

It's checked to me - I bet - they both call.

RIVER: [ 3s Js 4h Kc ] [ 2h ] ... a blank.

It's checked to me - I bet - they both call.

My call pre-flop was to loose ? - I guess !

I'm somewhat proud of my play on the flop ;-) Raising - and I don't even have a pair ! I'm not quite familiar with this koncept !? How do you like that ?

Betting the turn and river is a no-brainer ? - Right ?

What do you think ? Any comments appreciated !

Thanks, BB King's ... formerly known as the pokerplayer formerly known as Jack
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Old 09-08-2002, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: But I was soooooted !!!

To call with KQs i have to have a good bead on the raisers play. 5 off the button is late early position, pretty far off the button to try and steal the blinds, depending on the game. If the player doesn't raise with a wide mix of hands here and only raises "average player" hands (group one & two), I usually muck this. The hand is at the bottom of the range of hands an average player would raise with.

As for the play of the hand, I think you played it fine. The flop raise is good although sometimes I tend to only call in this spot due to the fact that you could be reraised, and the small number of players in the pot. The turn and river are played fine.
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Old 09-08-2002, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: But I was soooooted !!!

Yes, your preflop call was too loose, but that's beside the point. Your play on the flop and beyond was excellent. I'd be mildly concerned when my turn bet was called by both players but when they check to you on the river, betting is a no-brainer.
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Old 09-08-2002, 12:52 PM
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Default Fold or Raise ?

* To call with KQs i have to have a good bead on the raisers play. 5 off the button is late early position, pretty far off the button to try and steal the blinds, depending on the game. If the player doesn't raise with a wide mix of hands here and only raises "average player" hands (group one & two), I usually muck this. The hand is at the bottom of the range of hands an average player would raise with. *

I aggree. Calling pre-flop is a kinda loose. Maybe it is a fold-or-raise-situation ? If I - for some reason - believe he is fooling around - I should raise (to isolate). If not - I should fold.

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Old 09-08-2002, 01:01 PM
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Default How would you play the turn ? ...

... if a blanks hits ?

(1) If they both calls my flop-raise ? Taking the free card ?
(2) If only one calls my flop-raise ? Keep on semi-bluffing ?

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Old 09-08-2002, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: How would you play the turn ? ...

(1) If they both calls my flop-raise ? Taking the free card ?

Bet 10% of the time, check 90% of the time.

(2) If only one calls my flop-raise ? Keep on semi-bluffing ?

Bet 50% of the time, check 50% of the time. You have to assess the chances of your opponent folding or check-raising. Betting the turn makes it much more likely that your opponent will play the river incorrectly should you make your flush. If you had a hand like AQ with your flush draw and were someone who rarely called the river with ace high, I'd tell you to bet the turn much more often.
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Old 09-08-2002, 09:20 PM
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Default I actually ...

... lost the hand - not that it really matter.

RIVER: [ 3s Js 4h Kc ] [ 2h ] ... a blank.

It's checked to me - I bet - they both call.

SB shows 2s4s - for a rivered two pair.
EP shows JcAc - flopping top/pair/kicker.

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