Believed I played this AA very poorly

QTip · #1 02-20-2005, 05:39 PM

Well...please rip this to pieces...

BB is loose aggressive and UTG is loose passive.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

brettbrettr · #2 02-20-2005, 05:42 PM

Given the diamonds and the 4-way aspect of this hand, I think you have to raise the flop.

JackWilson · #3 02-20-2005, 05:46 PM

Raise the flop. The entire hand plays different from there so I don't really know what else to say.

Harv72b · #4 02-20-2005, 05:48 PM

Based on your reads of your opponents, I think you got preflop right. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously, though...it's a very rare flop that I will not raise and cap with AA. If the LAG wants to bluff at having a K, fine--use that to charge your diamond draws and hopefully knock out any single [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hands out there (like your LP UTG, holding A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]). It's going to take a flop cap and BB betting into me on the turn before I even think about giving him credit for a K.

Given that you did not raise the flop and you act last on the turn, I don't mind the call there so much. I think it would have played out much differently had you raised the flop, though.

When a loose/passive player bets a 4-flush board on the river, you don't have a diamond in your hand, and you still have the only guy who's shown any aggression postflop yet to act behind you, I wouldn't feel too badly about folding my aces.

brettbrettr · #5 02-20-2005, 05:49 PM

If you were thinking of this post then I think you need to remember that its heads up.

private joker · #6 02-20-2005, 05:52 PM

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If the LAG wants to bluff at having a K, fine--use that to charge your diamond draws

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What is this nonsense about charging diamond draws? For every bet that goes into this 4-way pot, diamond draws make money. They put in 25% of the pot with 35% equity. They are happy when you raise.

I'd still raise this flop, but for other reasons. I probably have the best hand at the moment and I'd like to be paid for that.

JackWilson · #7 02-20-2005, 05:55 PM

Hmmm?

I don't see the correlation. What are you talking about?

Harv72b · #8 02-20-2005, 06:17 PM

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What is this nonsense about charging diamond draws? For every bet that goes into this 4-way pot, diamond draws make money. They put in 25% of the pot with 35% equity. They are happy when you raise.

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This is where pot equity can get confusing. As I understand it (and I may be wrong, please correct me if I am)...

Assuming that we're right and BB does not have the K (or 77) and Hero's hand is good, a single flush draw would have about 35% equity (a little less, I think, because of the paired board, but no matter). But Hero would have a much higher equity in the pot than the flush draw--closer to 60%, I would guess. So while a raise technically makes a flush draw money, it makes Hero more money. And anyone with two dimaonds will gladly pay it.

JackWilson · #9 02-20-2005, 06:19 PM

That's the way I see it too. They're making money, but they're not making it from YOU.

private joker · #10 02-20-2005, 07:11 PM

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That's the way I see it too. They're making money, but they're not making it from YOU.

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Both you and Harv should read this thread for the response at the bottom of Page 1 by Ed Miller. He explains it very well.