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A variation of ed millers example
My brother was reading small stakes hold'em and came across one of the examples he gives.
One player limps, another raises. You cold call with Q7s. Both blinds and limper calls. Flop J 7 5 (1 of your suit) Preflop raiser bets, and its your move. Ed says the correct play is to raise. and I agree. Me and my brother disagree what you should do if all the limpers are ultimate loose passive call stations, who will never fold or raise. What do you do now? |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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What do you do now? [/ QUOTE ] Raise for value. |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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[ QUOTE ] What do you do now? [/ QUOTE ] Raise for value. [/ QUOTE ] You very well could have the best hand here. It's going to be hard to read their hands on the turn and river, but here against three random hands and one decent PFR hand, you're good. 40,234,940 games 13.907 secs 2,893,143 games/sec Board: Jc 7d 5h Dead: equity (%) win (%) / tie (%) Hand 1: 28.2535 % [ 00.28 00.00 ] { AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-AJo, KQo } Hand 2: 24.6364 % [ 00.24 00.00 ] { Q7s } Hand 3: 15.6926 % [ 00.15 00.01 ] { random } Hand 4: 15.7025 % [ 00.15 00.01 ] { random } Hand 5: 15.7151 % [ 00.15 00.01 ] { random } --- |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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Me and my brother disagree what you should do if all the limpers are ultimate loose passive call stations, who will never fold or raise. What do you do now? [/ QUOTE ] What's the bottom part of the cover of the book say? Does your brother think it was written on how to crush tighter players? b |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
You raise for information and value, not just value. With such terrible stations, a cold call of your raise tells you you are probably behind, and a reraise from the raiser does the same.
Simplistic answers like "reraise for value" are totally unhelpful and provide no insight on how to play the hand correctly from the flop on. |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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One player limps, another raises. You cold call with Q7s [/ QUOTE ] I believe in this example, the hero has posted a late position blind, not coldcalled. There is no way I'd coldcall with this hand. b |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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You raise for information and value, [/ QUOTE ] Those are the only reasons you raise this? I think you missed one. b |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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if all the limpers are ultimate loose passive call stations, who will never fold or raise . [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You raise for information [/ QUOTE ] Anybody else see the problem here? |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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Anybody else see the problem here? [/ QUOTE ] I was going to comment on it. The "raising for information" comment seems ridiculous in this context. |
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Re: A variation of ed millers example
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The "raising for information" comment seems ridiculous in this context. [/ QUOTE ] Yes it does. "Raise for value" is to the point and correct. Polonius: Brevity is...wit! |
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