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Old 02-17-2005, 12:40 PM
Packerfan1 Packerfan1 is offline
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Default Finding 5% VP$IP

Hi all:

Recent posts regarding VP$IP have me wondering if I'm missing opportunity with my current game plan in the 10/20 games... but as hard as I try to loosen up, my VP$IP seems stuck in the 21-22 range. Can anyone in the 25-30 range share where my stats are different than yours? Stats are for about 58,000 hands.

VP$IP: 21.3, BB/100: 1.28

Position, VPIP, BB/hand

Button, 21.37, .14
Cutoff, 16.78, .11
2off, 14.98, .09
UTG, 11.59, .09
BB, 20.92, -.15
sb, 37.12, -.11

My folded BB to steal is about 56, sb is about 85. I do think my blind play is still a weakness in these games. My "steal attempt %" is 27.84.

Steal more? Defend more? Where is that next 5%? Should I even care? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Thanks for any input. Any comments on my play (Pack3rfan1 now adays, yay rakeback) are also welcome.

Pack
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Old 02-17-2005, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

VP$IP: 21.3 (25)(21.3), BB/100: 1.28

Position, VPIP, BB/hand

Button, 21.37 (29)(24), .14
Cutoff, 16.78 (22.4)(19), .11
2off, 14.98 (16)(16), .09
UTG, 11.59 (16)(15), .09
BB, 20.92 (30)(22), -.15
sb, 37.12 (30)(26), -.11

The second figures are before I changed my blind play and got a little more loose in CO and Button. I was then winning 2.5BB/100, 60K hands.

I have only played 10K with "new style" so BBwon/hand isnt worth a lot but so far it looks much better (.08 and .04 better) in blinds and a little bit worse on button. Maybe I am overplaying the button or maybe just running bad. BB/100 is 3BB so far, but as u know my true inrate could be very different.

U play a lot more then me in SB less in BB. Thats strange.
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Old 02-17-2005, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

Button: 33.61
CO: 26.26
MP: 21.23
UTG: 16.96
BB: 32.51
SB: 40.65

100k hands, 4.36 BB/100
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

Nikla, what limit? And what is your BB/hand from the BB and SB?
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

Filtered for 10/20. Removed my headsup sessions, so it's from 6-max games.

BB: -0.12
SB: -0.07
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

how many tables?
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:34 PM
Grisgra Grisgra is offline
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

Wow, nice stats for 10/20 . . . maybe you should reply to my 10/20 posts on the next page or two [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. All you 10/20 vets just keep too much close to the chest . . .

This is interesting for me in that it suggests I don't have a ton of room to improve in the blinds, and that at as aggressive as 10/20 is I'm never going to get back to the lovely -0.02 (or so) BB/hand that I had at 5/10. Well, it's another piece of info at least . . .

Also interesting is the huge dropoff between the button and UTG re VP$IP. Mine isn't nearly as steep . . . and my early-position numbers are pretty crappy. Hmmm . . . helps to confirm my hunch that position is a lot more important at 10/20 than it was at 5/10.
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:44 PM
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Most of it is 4-tabling, never fewer tables. 10k-20k hands are 7-8tabling, 4x 10-20 and 3-4x 20/40 to 50-100.
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

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All you 10/20 vets just keep too much close to the chest . . .

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This probably isn't the most popular thing to say, but I believe it to be slightly -EV to post very good advice on this forum.

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I'm never going to get back to the lovely -0.02 (or so) BB/hand that I had at 5/10.

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No you're not. I think longterm -0.10 BB/100 is about the best one can do in this game.

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Also interesting is the huge dropoff between the button and UTG re VP$IP. Mine isn't nearly as steep . . . and my early-position numbers are pretty crappy. Hmmm . . . helps to confirm my hunch that position is a lot more important at 10/20 than it was at 5/10.

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Position is imo generally undervalued on these boards by the vast majority of the posters. People don't appreciate the automatic profit that comes with initiative versus weak and bad players.
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: Finding 5% VP$IP

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This probably isn't the most popular thing to say, but I believe it to be slightly -EV to post very good advice on this forum.


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If anyone ever catches me giving good advice, please let me know... I certainly don't want to do anything -EV. I realize I am not in any danger here.

Good advice Nikla.... oops slightyly neg EV for you. Oh wait you said very good advice.... never mind. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Just playin around
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