Check raising a weak flush

smizmiatch · #1 02-16-2005, 10:34 PM

Is this CR on the turn reasonable? Villain is TAG.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, Button calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

adamstewart · #2 02-16-2005, 10:36 PM

Seeing as you checked the flop, you should have check-raised it.

(I usally bet out the flop. If raised, I'll 3-bet it).

Adam

dblgutshot · #3 02-16-2005, 10:36 PM

I usually bet out this flop almost everytime. Is that wrong?

StacysMom · #4 02-16-2005, 10:40 PM

I like betting out the flop too, it allows u to take it down more frequently without hitting. And i would surely 3 bet the river, u have a flush, odds of him having one also are small...

smizmiatch · #5 02-16-2005, 10:42 PM

Check raising the flop is over my head. I know I have a lot of outs (9 for the flush and 4 for the gutshot), but I'm out of the small blind. I can't get a free card, I can't buy outs, and I have no overcards.
Can you explain why a check raise is the right move?

Shillx · #6 02-16-2005, 10:43 PM

I would check the flop. When you bet you are either rooting for everyone to call or for everyone to fold. This will rarely happen imo.

Brad

adamstewart · #7 02-16-2005, 11:06 PM

Check-raising the flop is for value. You have a pretty nice draw here (4 flush plus a gutshot). You're going to improve to a straight or a flush more than 1 time in 3 (by the river). So the point right now is to build the pot with other people's money and get paid off large when you do hit and win.

Adam

adamstewart · #8 02-16-2005, 11:07 PM

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I would check the flop. When you bet you are either rooting for everyone to call or for everyone to fold. This will rarely happen imo.

Brad

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Why not hope to get raised?

Shillx · #9 02-16-2005, 11:09 PM

I didn't see the gutshot the 1st time. I only thought we had a flush draw. With just a flush draw I would check and see what happens.

With 12 outs I would enjoy getting raised if we could trap people. If the action goes bet-raise-fold-fold I would let out a meh.

Brad

cnfuzzd · #10 02-16-2005, 11:11 PM

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Check raising the flop is over my head. I know I have a lot of outs (9 for the flush and 4 for the gutshot), but I'm out of the small blind. I can't get a free card, I can't buy outs, and I have no overcards.
Can you explain why a check raise is the right move?

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You checkraise the flop because you are making money off of a large percentage of each bet going into the pot. Someone else can do the math and figure it out. Im lazy. Not c/r isnt bad, but you must checkraise when you hit.

peace

john nickle