Playing the ass end of the straight

randomfish · #1 02-15-2005, 01:35 PM

Both villains were at around 20% VPIP but I only had a handful of hands (~20) so hard to tell really...

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

droolie · #2 02-15-2005, 04:41 PM

I play this the same way. Bummer of a river card. I probably raise a blank on the river.

shadow29 · #3 02-15-2005, 05:04 PM

I think you might need to pop the turn. Many would play a set this way.

Droolie's right tho, definetly raise a river blank

randomfish · #4 02-15-2005, 05:36 PM

Thanks for the input guys.

I was afraid I'd played this a little too weakly, but when I cap the flop and villain still leads the turn on such a coordinated board I'm starting to see monsters. Don't think I could've found it in me to raise a blank river here. Another leak to plug.

Result: villain turns over QJ for the flopped nut straight. (Tilt reference complete)

SlantNGo · #5 02-15-2005, 07:13 PM

Why are we capping the flop here? I'd just call the 3-bet and pop the turn.

Shillx · #6 02-15-2005, 07:16 PM

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I play this the same way. Bummer of a river card. I probably raise a blank on the river.

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This is 100% the wrong strategy when we are about 100% sure that MP3 is on the draw against us. Make them pay now. They might not pay up on the river should it brick out.

Brad

droolie · #7 02-15-2005, 07:25 PM

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I play this the same way. Bummer of a river card. I probably raise a blank on the river.

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This is 100% the wrong strategy when we are about 100% sure that MP3 is on the draw against us. Make them pay now. They might not pay up on the river should it brick out.

Brad

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I was assuming there was a 50/50 chance between MP3 having the nut str8 and having a set given the flop action. I was more willing to take a chance on finding out he had the nuts when the river didn't pair the board or make a flush.

Shillx · #8 02-15-2005, 07:28 PM

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I play this the same way. Bummer of a river card. I probably raise a blank on the river.

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This is 100% the wrong strategy when we are about 100% sure that MP3 is on the draw against us. Make them pay now. They might not pay up on the river should it brick out.

Brad

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I was assuming there was a 50/50 chance between MP3 having the nut str8 and having a set given the flop action. I was more willing to take a chance on finding out he had the nuts when the river didn't pair the board or make a flush.

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MP3 bet the flop and then called 3 more bets. He also called a turn bet. It seems pretty likely to me that he is on a flush draw or maybe a straight draw. He isn't going to call river raises with busted draws but he will call now. MP1 will [censored] us over if he has the nut straight no matter what so raising now or later doesn't really matter. We wan't MP3's money while he is drawing, not when he has either a flush or nothing.

Brad

pointcount · #9 02-15-2005, 07:36 PM

so what's your action shill?

raise the turn? When do you start thinking about QJ

droolie · #10 02-15-2005, 07:39 PM

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I play this the same way. Bummer of a river card. I probably raise a blank on the river.

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This is 100% the wrong strategy when we are about 100% sure that MP3 is on the draw against us. Make them pay now. They might not pay up on the river should it brick out.

Brad

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I was assuming there was a 50/50 chance between MP3 having the nut str8 and having a set given the flop action. I was more willing to take a chance on finding out he had the nuts when the river didn't pair the board or make a flush.

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MP3 bet the flop and then called 3 more bets. He also called a turn bet. It seems pretty likely to me that he is on a flush draw or maybe a straight draw. He isn't going to call river raises with busted draws but he will call now. MP1 will [censored] us over if he has the nut straight no matter what so raising now or later doesn't really matter. We wan't MP3's money while he is drawing, not when he has either a flush or nothing.

Brad

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My last post was stupid. I meant I thought MP1 had the set or nut str8 (you probably knew that). What I meant was that I really didn't like the idea of letting MP three bet us on the turn when so many cards kill us on the river. You're right that we're letting MP3 draw to his flush cheaply but he's not folding and do we really charge him if we are only ahead 50% of the time and are looking at the spectre of being rerasied and sucked out on to boot? I'll have to think more about this one on my ride home.