JTo party 15..

DcifrThs · #1 02-13-2005, 08:02 PM

found this hand:

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

UTG, MP1, and CO were all a bit too loose whose stats were 31/5/.8, 28/8/1.3, 33/6/1.17. the sb in this hand is 14/8/2.77

Flop: (6 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

i can go into my reasoning here but i want to see unbiased opinions on the turn and river...but suffice it to say i wasn't pleased with how i played this...

-Barron

stoxtrader · #2 02-13-2005, 08:48 PM

interesting hand.

SB is tight and (over)aggressive. I put him on a middle pair, or Tx, less than half of which beat you (I'd have to look at the math on the exact range to do better).

your line is not bad, but you can also raise the turn or 3 bet the flop.

astroglide · #3 02-13-2005, 08:50 PM

i would dump it on the turn against this guy

scooby · #4 02-13-2005, 10:01 PM

I think you missed a thin value bet on the river. SB is apparently decent enough to realize that you're going to bet almost any hand on the button and thus checkraises you. I wouldn't be surprised if he has some middle pair/ 9T or ace high.

DcifrThs · #5 02-13-2005, 10:39 PM

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i would dump it on the turn against this guy

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please elaborate.

-Barron

stoxtrader · #6 02-13-2005, 10:51 PM

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i would dump it on the turn against this guy

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generally i love what you have to say, but here i disagree.

DcifrThs · #7 02-13-2005, 10:55 PM

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i would dump it on the turn against this guy

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generally i love what you have to say, but here i disagree.

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im holding my judgement...i have my thoughts and want to hear why he thinks i should dump...then i'll post what i thought

-Barron

astroglide · #8 02-14-2005, 12:26 AM

the guy is supertight. most of the time he's going to be checkraising a random queen. against a more reasonable good player you could expect a ten here pretty often. his river check isn't so bizarre because even if he has a queen he's probably not proud of his kicker (or could be getting bizarro and trying a checkraise with KJ).

depending on how the guy felt i would probably rather threebet the flop headsup, bet the turn if i thought i could make him drop a queen, but check through and consider a call or a fold if bet into on the river.

DcifrThs · #9 02-14-2005, 01:21 AM

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the guy is supertight. most of the time he's going to be checkraising a random queen. against a more reasonable good player you could expect a ten here pretty often. his river check isn't so bizarre because even if he has a queen he's probably not proud of his kicker (or could be getting bizarro and trying a checkraise with KJ).

depending on how the guy felt i would probably rather threebet the flop headsup, bet the turn if i thought i could make him drop a queen, but check through and consider a call or a fold if bet into on the river.

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thats the thing...i dont equate tight pf with tight all around...this is why i wanted to wait for you to respond...for me, those numbers suggest that he has a clue and waits for good spots...this being one of them...i can be betting a draw, an underpair, a weak ten, who knows...but its not necessarily a queen and i think he'd c'r here quite often with less than i have from the sb...especially with a bd straight &/or flush draw...i didn't 3 bet because he could have had, as you said, a weak queen...

i also called expecting to call a turn bet and fold to a river bet. but i realize its a close call and thats why i posted it...

-Barron

astroglide · #10 02-14-2005, 01:47 AM

i think 17% is "i pick my spots and i'm tight", 14% is paranoid