Losing 15 BB in 7 hands...

[ElSapo]

I started playing this morning and in seven hands dropped about 15 bets. I see some errors in the hand but I also see just getting unlucky. I've been having a lot of trouble lately with the loose-aggro games. To what extent is this bad luck or bad play?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero folds, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB


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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, CO checks.

River: (3.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB


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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 2 BB

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

River: (5 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO (poster) checks, mcdroogy checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, mcdroogy folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (19 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (23 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 27 BB

[lu_hawk]

I didn't realize 15BB in 7 hands is as bad as you make it sound. You can't do much different. I would raise PF in hand 1, in the KK hand I would be tempted to fold to the flop cap because what can he possibly have there?

[ElSapo]

Agreed but on both streets I'm about where I need to be for the two outer, and once I get to the river I just can't fathom folding this. However, maybe I should have found the fold...Otherwise, yeah, it's probably not as bad as I make it out to be, but of late I've had a lot of problems playing in games with loose aggressives. Probably just short-term luck.

[btspider]

KTs, raise PF. rest is fine.

AJs, bet the flop 3-way

the rest i play the same.

KK, you don't have to win this many times to show a huge profit. MP1 looks to have 4x this time and i guess SB shows AA. folding before the river would have been wrong.

[chief444]

I raise pf in hand 1. So that's another .5 BB I lose.

I probably call the check/raise with QQ only because the board is very scary. But I really can't argue with the fold and it's probably correct. I just tend to make some loose river calls early on until I get some better reads is all.

So I lose at least .5 BB's more, possibly 1.5 more.

edit...Oh and I bet the flop with AJs.

[ElSapo]

Ok, this is pretty much what I thought. I also considered the KTs raise but generally wait for a couple more players.

The AJs hand I was getting gun-shy I think, but bet when the board paired. River bet may not have been right, I think. Actually, the AJs hand is the one I have the most issues with -- he showed 37s for one pair, I believe.

Correct about the SB AA hand.

[ElSapo]

I actually like checking behind with QQ, and regretted betting once I did, but having bet I like folding to the raise.

[chief444]

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I actually like checking behind with QQ, and regretted betting once I did, but having bet I like folding to the raise.

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Not a bad option. I hate checking overpairs heads up here but at the same time I hate folding an overpair to a raise against an unknown when an obvious scare card hits. I'd rather check it than bet/fold for sure.

[btspider]

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Ok, this is pretty much what I thought. I also considered the KTs raise but generally wait for a couple more players.

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but you often have the best hand or dominate the limpers. its not a pot building raise... its a button purchasing, blind folding, win more often with a pair, win UI occasionally raise.

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The AJs hand I was getting gun-shy I think, but bet when the board paired. River bet may not have been right, I think. Actually, the AJs hand is the one I have the most issues with -- he showed 37s for one pair, I believe.

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he isn't folding a pair once he calls your turn bet. he already suspects AK trying to buy the pot. i think you can check the river. a weak pair may check behind. a worse hand which would not have called may bluff.

[Aces McGee]

Hey El Sapo

I bet the flop with AJs. The turn bet is okay, I guess, but given that you checked the flop and the top card paired, I don't think you're convincing anybody fold a pair. So I think it's really important that you bet the flop, or just completely give up and only bet the turn if you hit something. I'm not a huge fan of the river bet. I can't think of any better hands that he'll fold, and I don't think he calls with worse aces too often.

-McGee