i'm not WEAK anymore!!!

afficax · #1 02-09-2005, 05:59 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

30 hands on the table.
BB is 23% VP$, 20% PFR(!)
CO is 93% flops seen 5% PFR

Before reading twoplustwo i would've probably folded preflop and then folded the turn, but since we know we don't fold here in small stake when the pot is big... why not raise? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls $1.25 (All-In), Hero raises, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (16.81 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 16.81 BB

einbert · #2 02-09-2005, 06:12 PM

If you're going to continue on this flop, you should raise for sure. Make overcards pay more, even though they can still profitably call (but they might put you on a 7 and fold). If you think you have the best hand on the turn, you should value bet the river as well.

ScottTheFish · #3 02-09-2005, 06:14 PM

Bet the river. The T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] doesn't change anything, if BB had a bigger FH, he would've 3-bet you on the turn. Build the side-pot in case you are losing to UTG.

afficax · #4 02-09-2005, 06:14 PM

but if i raised the flop i would've built the pot enough for people with overcards to call profitably on the turn. the only way i could get people to fold was to raise on the turn.

afficax · #5 02-09-2005, 06:17 PM

if i bet the river and was raised, based on the size of the pot i would've had to call right?

the problem was, i didn't want to call a river checkraise. i probably would've had a heart attack and then partypoker would've auto-folded me.

jason_t · #6 02-09-2005, 06:22 PM

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Poster: afficax
Subject: Re: i'm not WEAK anymore!!!

if i bet the river and was raised, based on the size of the pot i would've had to call right?

the problem was, i didn't want to call a river checkraise. i probably would've had a heart attack and then partypoker would've auto-folded me.

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Weak. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously though, ni han, except the river check.

ScottTheFish · #7 02-09-2005, 06:34 PM

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if i bet the river and was raised, based on the size of the pot i would've had to call right?

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Yep. Sux but that's poker. This guy is aggressive. No way he doesn't 3-bet a hand that beats you on the turn. Don't live in fear of checkraises when you have a big hand.

Sometimes you get raised and vomit in your mouth...costing you extra 1BB. Most of the time he calls with a worse hand and you gain 1BB.

Reread the river section of SSHE...value bets are your friend.

Nick Royale · #8 02-09-2005, 06:35 PM

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the only way i could get people to fold was to raise on the turn.

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Overs can call the turn profitable to, they might not realize it though...

Yads · #9 02-09-2005, 06:37 PM

I would still fold this PF, sure CO plays 93% of his hands, but he only raises 5%.

ScottTheFish · #10 02-09-2005, 06:40 PM

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I would still fold this PF, sure CO plays 93% of his hands, but he only raises 5%.

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Yuck. There are 5 people in the pot. By the time the CO 3-bets, the pot is huge, and our implied odds are thru the roof if we spike a set. No way I'm not seeing this flop.