Picked up the nut flush and gutshot draws on the turn

digitalis · #1 02-05-2005, 06:13 PM

Is there anything I could have done differently on the turn and/or river?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results:
Hero has Kc 7c (flush, ace high).
UTG+1 has Tc Ah (two pair, aces and tens).
MP1 has 5d Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.75 BB.

NateDog · #2 02-05-2005, 06:53 PM

Edit out the results.

Wario · #3 02-05-2005, 07:02 PM

Turn play is standard. Raising serves little purpose and you sure as hell aren't folding.

I would probably bet the river also for fear that UGT+1 would check behind if I attempted a check/raise. The heavy preflop action followed by the suspicious checked through flop might make it less likely for him to bet both streets.

You'll get better responses if you don't include results as they will influence peoples' responses.

TomBrooks · #4 02-05-2005, 07:40 PM

I think the best play on the turn is to bet because if you get five callers, with the odds of making the nut flush on the river being 4.22:1, you get value for your bet.

If more than two people fold, your bet will not get value, but you might steal the pot from a better hand. Your King could win unimproved if you can get anyone with a 10, J, or 4, or even an ace with a low kicker to fold. This would be a coup.

Another thing is if you make your flush on the river, you'd be more likely to have your river bet called because making the flush won't be as obvious to your opponents as it would have been with a turn check and river bet.

-TomBk

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Entity · #5 02-05-2005, 07:41 PM

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I think the best play on the turn is to bet because if you get five callers, with the odds of making the nut flush on the river being 4.22:1, you get value for your bet.

If more than two people fold, your bet will not get value, but you might steal the pot from a better hand. Your King could win unimproved if you can get anyone with a 10, J, or 4, or even an ace with a low kicker to fold. This would be a coup.

Another thing is if you make your flush on the river, you'd be more likely to have your river bet called because making the flush won't be as obvious to your opponents as it would have been with a turn check and river bet.

-TomBk

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You will rarely get 5 callers, and your gutshot outs are often tainted by the possibility of a split pot.

You played this hand fine. Nothing different you could have done that I would agree with.

Rob

Shillx · #6 02-05-2005, 08:12 PM

Betting would probably only be correct if either everyone called or everyone folded. Will they all fold? Well given that they are called "chasers" I would think no. Will they all call? Maybe, but it isn't worth taking the risk when you can safely check/call for one bet. If you lead and get raised you will start kicking yourself.

Brad