Folding To a Stop N' Go

gaming_mouse · #1 02-04-2005, 06:53 AM

Villain was unknown.

All comments appreciated.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

rmarotti · #2 02-04-2005, 06:58 AM

Any read on the BB?

gaming_mouse · #3 02-04-2005, 06:59 AM

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rmarotti · #4 02-04-2005, 07:06 AM

I'm drunk. Good call down.

gaming_mouse · #5 02-04-2005, 07:24 AM

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I don't know.... He had an A...

I think I should have folded the turn. The only way I'm winning is if he is semi-bluffing with a J, or I hit my Q, or possibly my K. I'd say I have between 4 or 5 outs (barely enough to justify a call) but I may be drawing dead, and perhaps that swings it to a fold.

Anyone disagree?

The Dude · #6 02-04-2005, 07:30 AM

When the board pairs like that on the turn, his betting out is almost always a two-pair hand. In this case, he's got an A. If he had a T, he would check-raise it. But you usually won't see a (semi-) bluff here, you'll be looking at an A. Now granted, playing SH you'll run into a fair share of wackos that take crazy lines with crazy hands, but this just smells like an A here.

Call the turn, fold the river for one bet.

rmarotti · #7 02-04-2005, 07:32 AM

Against an unknown i think this turn stop and go is close enough to a pure bluff enough of the time to justify the call down, am I too loose for thinking this?

edit: crap! The Dude totaly takes a different line. I'm opening another beer and stopping any hand commenting for the night.

gaming_mouse · #8 02-04-2005, 07:33 AM

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Thanks dude. That's seems reasonable.

If a K hits, do you raise? If so and you are 3-bet, do you fold?

The Dude · #9 02-04-2005, 07:36 AM

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If a K hits, do you raise? If so and you are 3-bet, do you fold?

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You bet I raise! I'm hoping you missed the fact that a K would give me a full boat, therefore I don't have to worry about losing to a naked Q as a straight. If I get 3-bet on a K river I'm capping.

The-Matador · #10 02-04-2005, 07:38 AM

This is a standard play for someone afraid of their kicker. The 10 gives him a J kicker and he's ready to fire with his ace again. There is no reasonable holding that you beat here, only a pure bluff. You'll almost never see a pure bluff stop and go. Easy fold, imho.