PP 3/6 : QJs Hand

PokerAce · #1 02-01-2005, 11:51 AM

Should I have seen the flop? I felt I was getting good implied odds if I got a favorable flop (straight or flush draw, may need to lay down TP, depending on action). All players involved were pretty weak, according to my stats on them. Also, even though I'm getting about 7 to 1 on my turn cold call, is this a good idea when the board is paired? Regardless of outcome, should I have laid down on the turn?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (16.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 22.66 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qc Jc (flush, queen high).
UTG+1 has 9s 9h (two pair, tens and nines).
UTG+2 has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 22.66 BB. 

Also, who goes for the river check-raise here? I've found that a lot of people freeze up on the third suit. I didn't want it checked around. Who would 3-bet the river if it were raised, given the turn action? BTW, I included the results because I feel it's pretty obvious what the results were anyway given the river action.

Sarge85 · #2 02-01-2005, 12:22 PM

I don't call PF two back to me out of position.

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PokeHer · #3 02-01-2005, 01:30 PM

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I don't call PF two back to me out of position.

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QJs is my favorite hand, but I agree with sarge here. If you were not the first person to call the 2 bets, I would say it's ok as long as a few people came in before you. But you also have to consider the chances of the original raiser capping it.

TheManInBlack · #4 02-01-2005, 01:31 PM

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I don't call PF two back to me out of position.

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I agree. I think you got lucky on this one.

crunchy1 · #5 02-01-2005, 01:33 PM

Do you guys call this UTG to begin with?? Seems like a pretty loose call to me.

Sarge85 · #6 02-01-2005, 01:39 PM

Soooted Broadway cards are the [censored]!

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Mister Z · #7 02-01-2005, 01:49 PM

Absolutely. QJo on the other hand...

Mister Z · #8 02-01-2005, 02:00 PM

You definitely got lucky here on a few points, but you took a gamble to win a pretty big sized pot and I think you made the right decisions, even on the turn. It was two bets back to you (on the turn) - the pot was around 8 to 1 and you were a 5 to 1 underdog to hit your suit. Well played IMO.

PokerAce · #9 02-01-2005, 02:15 PM

I'd like to point out that had I not been 90% sure the other two limpers would be in with me, I probably would've folded, but it is a close call so I'm asking you guys.

I like to limp in EP with any non-ace suited broadway. They would've been in the muck had they been off suit.