5 Mistakes with James

[krishanleong]

Here are some hands James coached me on last night. Each of these hands contained a mistake except for 1. On one hand I gave James the driver seat. So try and figure out my mistake on each hand.

Krishan

Hand 1----------------------------------------------

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Hand 2----------------------------------------------

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Hand 3----------------------------------------------

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, SB folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Hand 4----------------------------------------------

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button calls.

River: (11 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Hand 5----------------------------------------------

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Hand 6----------------------------------------------

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

[DeeJ]

OK I'm game.

Hand 1: pfr I like but others may say fold. Flop std although you could slo-play with a safe flop. Turn ok, river missed raise? depends on opponents.

Hand 2: a little agressive considering you have the idiot end of the straight

Hand 3: I hate 55 and would fold this pf. otherwise fine

Hand 4: duh what? you have a pair and a great draw, fold for 1 bet?

Hand 5: ok

Hand 6: i'm check-folding the turn.

[krishanleong]

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a little agressive considering you have the idiot end of the straight

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Just making sure you see I have the nut flush redraw.

Krishan

[Evan]

Hand 1- I would limp preflop. James may kick my ass for saying that later but I don't see a great reason to raise. I also think that there's a pretty good case for raising the river.

Hand 2- Easy preflop raise. I'm definitly leaning towards leading the turn and check-3 betting seems a little out of line to me.

Hand 3- Raise preflop.

Hand 4- I would fold preflop (call if I was ont he button) and call the first flop bet.

Hand 5- The preflop completion is debatable but I think but you played the hand fine.

Hand 6- I would check-fold the turn. I don't see any reasonable hand that you beat anymore.

[DeeJ]

yeah, point taken (I saw it when I looked through but missed it on typing in) even so [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] a 6 may not raise on the river because he's afraid of 67 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[gaming_mouse]

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Hand 1- I would limp preflop. James may kick my ass for saying that later but I don't see a great reason to raise.

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I would too, but this got me thinking about it. I'd like to hear arguments for both sides.

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Hand 2- Easy preflop raise.

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What's so easy about it? According to SSH, you should limp this in tight games (3-5 players on the flop). 2/4 can easily be "tight" by those standards. So shouldn't your recommendation depend on the game?

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Hand 3- Raise preflop.

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I think this one depends on your read of the players behind you. If they are loose passive, I prefer a limp to a raise. If they are tight, I prefer a raise. Am I wrong here?

[Evan]

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What's so easy about it? According to SSH, you should limp this in tight games (3-5 players on the flop). 2/4 can easily be "tight" by those standards. So shouldn't your recommendation depend on the game?

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Regardless of what SSH says (and to be honest I would've guessed it said to raise) I am 100% positive you will make more money by raising this hand preflop than by limping. Also, for the purposes of guessing what advice James gave, I will bet as much as you'd like that James told the poster to raise preflop.

There's an old thread in the archives somewhere where Clark and Dynasty give great arguments for raising ATs UTG.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

hand 1's raise really depends on the looseness of the original limper and the tightness of the blinds. getting it heads up in position with A high against a loose limper with dead money in the blinds makes this a very easy raise if the situation calls for it. i've been making this raise for a long while now.

[Evan]

Without a read on the blinds as tight I will assume that I'm not often getting it HU by raising.

[krishanleong]

CDC is right on the money. Limper was 56/8. The raise preflop is really easy even if the blinds are not tight. The mistake in this hand is not preflop.

Krishan