Strange ruling at Mandalay Bay

SofaCoach · #1 01-31-2005, 04:50 PM

I was playing 4/8 at MB saturday night (full Vegas trip report coming in the next couple days) and this occured on my 2nd or 3rd hand at the table...

I had some trash cards in the big blind and 4 others call to see the flop. Flop is trash but doesn't match my trash, so I check with the intention of folding to a bet. EP checks, and MP bets. Cocktail waitress comes to the side to take drink orders. I take my eyes off the action for 10 seconds tops to make my order and when I look back LP and button have called, the action has past me and EP called (out of turn). The dealer was just flipping up the turn card when I said "hey, you missed me, I wanted to muck these" and tossed my cards in the muck, face down of course.

The dealer hesitated, unsure of what to do and called the floor. The floor ruled that the turn card be put back in the deck, the remaining deck reshuffled, and play out the hand. Obviously this had a big impact on the hand, the winner making a straight on the river. The dealer also chastised me for covering my cards, which I am 99% sure I wasn't doing. My cards were still on the table with a chip on them when I realized the action had passed me. (FYI, I was in seat 2).

I have 2 questions:

1) did I really screw up? I don't think it was even 10 seconds that my attention was diverted and both the EP and dealer acted out of turn. No one seemed upset with me but I felt bad anyway.

2) Why was this ruling necessary? Why couldn't they just continued the hand with my cards in the muck and the turn card already on the board. Evidently no-one knew I was in the hand anyway.

Dynasty · #2 01-31-2005, 05:21 PM

1. A few people screwed up including you (for not paying attention to what's happening at the table) and especially the dealer.

2. A new turn card should probably be put out since you actually acted after the burn and turn. It's important that all flop actions take place without seeing the turn card.

Clarkmeister · #3 01-31-2005, 08:15 PM

The rulings at MB are legendarily bad.

wonderwes · #4 02-01-2005, 04:48 AM

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The rulings at MB are legendarily bad.

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Its because MB is just a bad poker room.

The Dude · #5 02-01-2005, 06:37 AM

There are many really wierd rules at Mandalay. I like the cardroom for what it is - the 1/2 blind structure is kind of fun - but they're out there in left field.

youtalkfunny · #6 02-01-2005, 07:07 AM

I don't know about their track record, but they made the right call here, IMO.

Randy_Refeld · #7 02-01-2005, 08:17 AM

The reason bad poker rooms continue to exist is they are filled with players that don't know they are bad poker rooms. There is a trade off; when you play in a room where the management is unfamiliar with poker you will get horrible rulings, but you get to play against people that haven't played enough to be disgusted by this. In this case MB made the right ruling, I haven't played in the place since 2001, so I can't comment on the quality of their staff.

Randy Refeld

Clarkmeister · #8 02-01-2005, 10:14 AM

I don't necessarily agree. At the very least they should've used the "natural" river card as the turn card before reshuffling. Dealer screwed up big time on this one.

youtalkfunny · #9 02-01-2005, 07:23 PM

I thought that went without saying (put out the river card before re-shuffling).

Although you and I both know that this doesn't change anything--the only thing you were ever promised on the river was a random card, and you got one.

SofaCoach · #10 02-01-2005, 10:05 PM

The deck was reshuffled creating a new turn and river card. Several of you commented that this was the correct ruling. I still don't understand this. No one had acted on the turn card and it's not like I tried to get back in the hand after seeing it.

But I know I screwed up by taking my attention away from the table while still in the hand.