Was I correct to fold Quads?

SkiGuyGT · #1 01-31-2005, 08:11 AM

Table VPIP was 30, raizor was 47/12/.48, 3bettor 34/12/1.3

I limped with 22 because I thought I would be able to get a lot of action with a set. The previous pot a guy capped turn and river with AA with two people playing back and JJ on board.

Anyways what do people think of my fold?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 16.20 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+2 has Qs 9d (two pair, queens and twos).
MP1 has Kh Ks (two pair, kings and twos).
Button has As Ad (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Button wins 16.20 BB.

Harv72b · #2 01-31-2005, 08:19 AM

Easy, easy fold preflop...the first time around. Folding when it comes back to you 3-bet is even easier.

Brian · #3 01-31-2005, 08:23 AM

Why does what your hand would have been after the Flop have any bearing on whether or not you should play the hand before the Flop?

-Brian

lostinthought · #4 01-31-2005, 08:26 AM

Easy fold, what's the point here?

Monty Cantsin · #5 01-31-2005, 08:57 AM

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Easy, easy fold preflop...the first time around.

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At a loose/aggressive table 22 UTG is not an easy, easy fold. The first limp is ok, I also fold for 2 more when it comes back around.

/mc

PokerBob · #6 01-31-2005, 09:00 AM

You didn't fold quads. You folded a small pp out of position for 2 cold. Good fold. Don't be results oriented.

btspider · #7 01-31-2005, 10:20 AM

you didn't fold quads.

this looks like a call to me, yet everyone has said fold. the raisers look pretty loose, so that final pot seems like an 'average' final pot.

hindsight:
32 SB's in the final pot.. Hero has to put in 2 SB's preflop to hit his set.. 16:1.. if its capped.. maybe 36:3 or 12:1..

that looks like a huge overlay for hitting a set and losing..

there was a similar PF hand recently by sfer. he had to call 2.5 SB's from the SB though.

DMBFan23 · #8 01-31-2005, 10:33 AM

"Table VPIP was 30, raizor was 47/12/.48, 3bettor 34/12/1.3"]

if these reads are accurate are we really unable to call the two more in what is going to be a sweet pot? we also have MP1 sweetening the deal.

EDIT: this is assuming the first call was correct, which it may or may not have been, I don't know.

Fat Nicky · #9 01-31-2005, 10:53 AM

I had similar thoughts, but putting it in perspective, when it comes back to you 3-bet, you don't know if the other limpers will call 2 more and you don't know if the original raiser will cap. Putting this into consideration I think makes this a fold.

btspider · #10 01-31-2005, 11:00 AM

yeah, you don't know if they will or not. in this case one called and one folded, which seems about average and still provided a large overlay.

Hero is in bad relative position to see a turn for one bet when he misses.. but if he flops a set, he's in great relative position to pump the pot if someone raises behind him though.