2 rules questions - FW 1-2 NL

[Hotrod0823]

Played Foxwoods 1-2NL for only the second time today and had a great time. Along the way a couple questions came up and I wanted to post them here.

1) I'm in the BB with A8x - Stack is about 500 or so and have the table easily covered. 6-7 limp to me and I check my option. Flop is 88x. I bet out 15 on the flop and UTG calls. Bet 20 more on the blank turn and UTG calls. There is now about 80 in the pot so I be out 75 on the river (I think putting UTG allin) ... he puts chip allin. I take that to mean he calls and turn over my cards showing the flopped trips and he mucks his hand.

All the while the dealer is still counting out UTG chips. Turns our his "all-in" was actually a raise of 14 more. 75 wasn't enough to put him all in. I was already awarded the pot and had the chips in hand when he requests the floor be called because I didn't call his allin raise of 14 more bucks. I wasn't even aware there was MORE to call until after the hand was over.

The floor said the play stands, my hand was declared the winner, his hand wasn't ever shown and he get to keep his 14 bucks.

Comments --- other than asking for a count next time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

2) I had about 600 again table was covered and was in the BB with a suited small 1 gapper. SB was aggressive and just won a big pot with the same hand about 1 orbit ago and I kidding gave him crap for playing it. So when he raised to 15 bucks to 17 to play I called and told him to watchout that I learned how to play this hand from him. Well there was a short stacked MP that reraised all in and made it 21 total to go - another 4 bucks. SB was looking to reraise again and I not wanting to call any more than the short stack 4 bucks to see the flop with my garabage hand protested that the MP reraise didn't open the betting because it wasn't a "legal" raise of at least 8 more dollars or 1/2+ what the min raise would be.

He quietly agreed although wasn't completely sure I was correct and the dealer had no clue so we played the hand out and I was able to show my crappy flush at show down and get a chuckle from the SB.

Comments?

Hotrod

[Randy_Refeld]

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my garabage hand protested that the MP reraise didn't open the betting because it wasn't a "legal" raise of at least 8 more dollars or 1/2+ what the min raise would be.

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Since he raised 15 t0 17 it takes a full raise in NL or PL to reopen the action; 15 more to a total of 32. The half a bet rule is strictly a limit rule. There was a thread a little while ago that talk about that by law in AC they are required to use the limit rule even in NL.

Randy Refeld

[rookieplus]

Hand 1

If he didn't verbalize a raise I would take his actions to be a call but the danger in that is apparent from your question. As you were heads up, turning your hand over before "calling" the phantom raise doesn't make your hand dead. You didn't muck, you didn't say fold, so when he mucked, he's done.

Hand 2

Calling a raise with a small suited one-gapper? Re-reaise or fold and given the short stack that was already in and behind you (MP), folding seems the more attractive option. Sounds like someone got a litle loosey-goosey playing with other people's money there. Congrats on the crappy little flush [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Scotty O]

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my garabage hand protested that the MP reraise didn't open the betting because it wasn't a "legal" raise of at least 8 more dollars or 1/2+ what the min raise would be.

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I agree with this ruling as well. If he reraised, he would have shut u out of the pot PF. Good call
Since he raised 15 t0 17 it takes a full raise in NL or PL to reopen the action; 15 more to a total of 32. The half a bet rule is strictly a limit rule. There was a thread a little while ago that talk about that by law in AC they are required to use the limit rule even in NL.

Randy Refeld

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