Poker Stars= Bad For Players

[ILikeApples]

How does Poker Stars get away with it?
1. They do not offer signup bonuses
2. They do not allow rakebacks
3. They only have nine seats per table (for more pots per hour = more rake)

I don't understand how Poker Stars attract so many players. Maybe it's the fact that the last 2 WSOP champs came from Poker Stars. But if I was a new player, I don't want to play at any place that produces world class players. I want to play against fish. Any comments?

[MarkL444]

most people dont put as much thought into this as you do.

[AncientPC]

They offer occasional reloads.

Probably the rags to riches story of Moneymaker and Raymer.

New players don't know anything about rakeback, signup bonuses, etc.

They have good tournaments and options for private tournaments as well.

[ThaSaltCracka]

easily the best tournament site.

[Thythe]

1&3 are definite negatives, but rakeback is not allowed on any site. They just make it harder for people to get around the rules there. Really, rakeback is ridiculous. If everyone got rakeback, it's just the equivalent of lowering the rake by 25%.

[captZEEbo1]

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They offer occasional reloads.

Probably the rags to riches story of Moneymaker and Raymer.

New players don't know anything about rakeback, signup bonuses, etc.

They have good tournaments and options for private tournaments as well.

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I wouldn't call Raymer "rags to riches" lol. I think he's a successful lawyer or something.

[slickpoppa]

i predict that one day party's crappy customer service and general shadiness will end up biting them in the ass and stars will overtake them

[MicroBob]

Obviously there are many who aren't familiar with Raymer's tourney abilities....so most who don't know much would consider him rags-to-riches regardless and that's all the matters.

Additionally, Moneymaker was an accountant too right?? I don't know what either of their incomes were though.

The fact is that Moneymaker turned $40 into $2.5-mil.
Raymer's satellite was $130 or so and he turned it into $5-mil.
I feel safe in calling that rags-to-riches.
Neither were well known BIG NAME tourney players and both seem to prove that ANYONE who can win a satellite on pokerstars has a chance to turn it into millions.



Pokerstars has some of the best software imo.
Their support-staff is the very best.
They offer frequent re-loads and lots of satellites to various tourneys, and so on.

When newbies sign-up at a sight they just go to whatever one they happen to hear about first and don't give a damn or know about rake-back or initial-depo offers.

I was one of those newbies a couple years ago...I signed-up at Stars because it was the first site that came up in my google search for internet-poker.
but that was at a time when stars had 2k players during peak-hours I think (or fewer), I didn't know what a tournament was (seriously) and I didn't know whether or not a flush beat a full-house.

The general poker-playing populace is more educated about the game now just because of all the TV coverage...but that doesn't mean they know diddly-squat about rake-back.

I was here for several months before I figured out that rake-back is for real and that it can be significant.

All of the spam for 'get 20% of your rake-back' I just assumed was total lies.

[skoal2k4]

I can't speak as far as the cash games go... but the tournaments and sng's are great there. Pokerstars also has great software and customer service is very prompt in answering questions and solving problems.

[TylerD]

1. True.
2. They do have a lower rake than most sites.
3. Fixed limit games are 10 handed.