Using tells against weak players

[Cory Neely]

I've been pondering this topic for a while now and i've came to the conclusion that some tells that are dead give aways for bluffs or good hands just wont work against weaker players. I know this is kind of obvious. I've been reading Caro's book and agree with all of his information but when I try to picture myself in a situation to burn it into memory I constantly imagine weak players messing the tell up.
For instance (without discrediting his book): When a player has a strong hand they will ask how much it is to them like they havent been paying attention or like they just dont care, then usually they will raise. Also the hand may tremble. These are 2 very basic tells that I have used many times against opponents.
One thing you have to ask yourself when using these tells - Does my opponent know the value of thier hand?
A weaker player may see an A2o dealt to them and think, "oh my! an ace! automatic winner!"
He treats them like they are pocket aces.
His hand will begin to tremble and he will studder when its his turn. He will gently push his chips in and hope not to scare anyone away.
What type of player would you rather use these types of tells against?

[tdarko]

if you are trying to figure out how to pick up sure fire tells that work all the time then you have a tough road ahead of you. generally the only one that run into consistantly is weak means strong and strong means weak.
but i also play at places where seats change quickly and i dont get to play with people on a regular basis so i dont really look for facial ticks and others, unless it is something i am about greater 90% sure.

[The Goober]

My experience has been that its hard to get much information from very inexperienced and weak players - often their nervousness about being in a real casino at a real game tends to dominate thier emotions. From these players, I think its a mistake to read too much into a shaking hand or looking away, especially if your read causes you to forfeit a reasonable pot. Usually I find that with these players their play is so passive that they are easy enough to read from their play.

[bernie]

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What type of player would you rather use these types of tells against?

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You use them against a player that has those types of tells. He will then see his own pattern in your play and put you on the hand he'd have to do that type of tell. Though, to him, it's a subconcious tell.

You use their own little betting nuances against them. Bet speed is a good one.

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One thing you have to ask yourself when using these tells - Does my opponent know the value of thier hand?


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The first thing you ask yourself is "is this player acting or playing to his natural pattern". The great majority of them are not acting. Actors tend to stand out. Once that's established, then it's a matter of his standards and what's the type of hand he'd do those mannerisms with.

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[bernie]

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often their nervousness about being in a real casino at a real game tends to dominate thier emotions.

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Their nervousness is driven by their emotions. The weaker the players the easier it is to pick up tells. They aren't hardened to the game at all emotionally, so their emotions are on their sleeves. Learn the emotions behind their bets (bet speed is a prime one) and you'll see quite a bit more clearly.

You also don't act on a tell unless you've confirmed it enough to implement it. This process of confirmation depends on the opponent. Some you don't even have to play a hand with to know how they'll play, or what they have. Others are more subtle, others you just don't get a read on.

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[the_joker]

I think you need to interpret tells diffrently for different players. One guy I play with has a big shaking hand tell but also way over values his hands. I can almost tell his exact hand by how much his hand shakes. Just shaking a little means he has a pair, or really shaking means something more. I think you can use tells against all players, you just put more weight on them depending on the player/situation.