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Old 01-27-2005, 02:51 PM
PSW PSW is offline
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Default Newbie to NL, AA hand

I am sure I played this wrong. When the Q came, I began to worry about drawing hands and thought I should take it down. One problem I see is that callers would have two pair or better. Getting only $3.10 for AA was a bit disapointing. Advice to do better?

Thanks

Table is .25/.50 NL ($25) at Pokerroom. No reads on poster, first hand.

Seat 1: BB ($21.80 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG (poster) ($23.80 in chips)
Seat 3: MP ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero [AC,AS] ($37.85 in chips) On the Button
Seat 9: SB ($11.25 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
SB posts blind ($0.10), BB posts blind ($0.25), UTG (poster) posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
UTG (poster) checks, MP folds, Hero bets $1, SB folds, BB folds, UTG (poster) calls $0.75. (Pot:$2.10)

FLOP [board cards JS,4H,2S ]
UTG (poster) checks, Hero bets $2, UTG (poster) calls $2. (Pot: $6.10)

TURN [board cards JS,4H,2S,QC ]
UTG (poster) checks, Hero bets $34.85 and is all-in, UTG (poster) folds.

SHOWDOWN
Hero wins $40.90

SUMMARY
Dealer: Hero
Pot: $41.20, (including rake: $0.30)
BB, loses $0.25
UTG (poster), loses $3
MP, loses $0
Hero, bets $37.85, collects $40.90, net $3.05
SB, loses $0.10
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

Just bet the pot on the turn.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

That's a good way to go broke to a set or QJ.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:17 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

first, if somebody is drawing, you want them to call.

second, if you don't know whether they are drawing or not, don't make bets that are only callable by those hands that beat you.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

[ QUOTE ]
first, if somebody is drawing, you want them to call.

second, if you don't know whether they are drawing or not, don't make bets that are only callable by those hands that beat you.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is the thing that I struggle w/ NL: Implied odds. They call a flop pot bet and lose more often but they know when they hit and I lose my stack or lots of it, especially if I keep raising the pot each time they call.

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Old 01-27-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

if a scarecard comes on the river, check it through if its checked to you.

unless villain is one of these I push when I catch my draw types, it should be very easy to play.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

Well once you bet the pot on the turn, they are folding the draw most of the time. He might have implied odds to call the $2 bucks, but not really for say 8 bucks on the turn. But you should not be in the habit of pushing when the only hand that calls you is one that beats you. In this example, you are risking 40 to win 6...do you see how dangerous this is? Anybody with QJ instacalls you here. You have an overpair, but that is all it is, a pair....if you are successful in forcing him out of the $6 pot around 7 times, and lose on the 8th, you are roughly break even here...dangerous play. If you bet the pot and he calls on his draw, he's getting horrible odds, you should be happy enough about that.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

You don't need to pay them off when they hit and this is where reads come into play.

Lets say there is $50 in the pot on the turn, and you have $150 behind and miraculously your opponent has the same amount.

You have AA, and the board reads A278 rainbow.
You can bet $50 here, and the only draw he can have is a straight draw. It is 3.8:1 to hit (1 in 4.78 roughly) and so if he calls he has to make up $150, which is impossible as you only have $100 left.

If you both have $1000 behind, he can profitablly call if you will call all in when he hits his straight because he will make up much more than $150.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

Betting $35 into a $6 pot will only get you in trouble unless you have the nuts. You should bet the pot or overbet the pot a little bit (~$6-$8)...
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Newbie to NL, AA hand

Thanks for all the helpful advice. Betting the pot on the flop helps eliminate the applied odds of future calls because it gets the pot high enough so that the stacks limit the applied odds.

I think I'm'a'gettin'it.
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