ATs UTG...turn play?

sin808 · #1 01-26-2005, 06:24 AM

Fairly new to the table, never played the villain before. Table is fairly tight (~22% )

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, Button calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero??

adsman · #2 01-26-2005, 06:28 AM

Well, his chances of having an Ace just went down. And if he does have you out-kicked you've got 3 outs to win and 6 outs to split. I raise.

Shillx · #3 01-26-2005, 06:38 AM

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Well, his chances of having an Ace just went down. And if he does have you out-kicked you've got 3 outs to win and 6 outs to split. I raise.

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Wrong. Raising is very bad. Do you see why?

Brad

jaxUp · #4 01-26-2005, 06:40 AM

raises the turn, calls if 3-bet. I bet this river if checked to or call if bet by BB.

Shillx · #5 01-26-2005, 06:43 AM

Hero calls. If the button folds out, you have an interesting river choice. If he doesn't fold the turn you should call the river. If he folds the turn I still probably just call the river.

Brad

eviljeff · #6 01-26-2005, 06:45 AM

call. pot is too big to fold, but if he had you beat on the flop, he's got you beat on the turn too. basically, if you raise here, you should've capped the flop, which seems like a mistake to me.

adsman · #7 01-26-2005, 06:55 AM

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Well, his chances of having an Ace just went down. And if he does have you out-kicked you've got 3 outs to win and 6 outs to split. I raise.

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Wrong. Raising is very bad. Do you see why?

Brad

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OK, let me think. You've got the button to act behind you and he could reraise, plus if nobody has the Ace you could lose the overcalls. Am I on the right track here?

Shillx · #8 01-26-2005, 06:58 AM

What will the turn bettor do if he has AK? What will he do with KK?

Rasing is a lose/lose for us. We get 3-bet by hands that have us in bad shape. We give hands that we have in bad shape a great chance to fold. We want something like KK or QQ to bet again on the river (or call a river bet if they check to us).

Brad

jaxUp · #9 01-26-2005, 07:03 AM

I retract my previous statement about raising the turn. Yet again, Shill has shown me the way...god I hate that [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

adsman · #10 01-26-2005, 07:17 AM

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I retract my previous statement about raising the turn. Yet again, Shill has shown me the way...god I hate that [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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second that.