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Old 01-25-2005, 04:27 PM
shoeman shoeman is offline
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Default Was this a bad push?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t2034)
Hero (t1050)
SB (t2242)
BB (t2674)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1050 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, BB calls t850.

Results in White

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Flop: (t2200) 6:hearts:, 3:hearts:, 7:clubs: 2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2200) T:hearts: 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2200) J:clubs: 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2200

Board: [ 6h 3h 7c Th Jc ]

rjcjr11 balance 2034, didn't bet (folded)
rscheung balance 0, lost 1050 [ Qd 9h ] [ high card queen -- Qd,Jc,Th,9h,7c ]
DJett balance 2142, lost 100 (folded)
ouzo12d balance 3824, bet 1050, collected 2200, net +1150 [ Jd Kc ] [ a pair of jacks -- Kc,Jd,Jc,Th,7c ]

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Old 01-25-2005, 04:35 PM
ColdestCall ColdestCall is offline
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Default Re: Was this a bad push?

So much depends on the table and the players....

That being said, it's tough to say that this was a "bad" push. I usually like to have at least a K in my hand, or a more connected (or suited) Q than you had. Your fold equity will soon be gone, so you are under a lot of pressure to do something, and pushing certainly doesnt seem unreasonable. I would probably push this hand about 30% of the time here, depending, as I said, on how I felt about the table and the players.
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Old 01-25-2005, 04:42 PM
shoeman shoeman is offline
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Default Re: Was this a bad push?

I had pushed 2-3 times in the last few orbits and got a fold each time. As luck would have it, I had AK and AQ the previous pushes. I did have a slight feeling that the SB and BB were a bit tight and that is probably why I decided to push.

I do agree that this is situation dependent and maybe a 40-50% push for me.
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Old 01-25-2005, 04:44 PM
El Maximo El Maximo is offline
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Default Re: Was this a bad push?

At 5BB is when I get most aggressive. I would push this here unless the blinds were very loose. I would push 87s here and Q9 isnt much worse against the range of hands that will call you.
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Old 01-25-2005, 05:01 PM
Unparagoned Unparagoned is offline
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Default Re: Was this a bad push?

I would have pushed and have in that situation many times.
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Old 01-25-2005, 05:22 PM
gehrig gehrig is offline
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Default Re: Was this a bad push?

if your opponents will call with any pair, any ace, KQ-KT, QJ, then pushing here lowers your prize pool equity by .01. if they'll fold crappy aces, 22-44 and KT/QJ, then it increases your equity by .005.

you can't really pass up marginal +ev opportunities here when you're going to have nothing but -ev choices the rest of the way unless you get a miracle big hand.

Q9o does really bad against the range of hands that will call you though (K9 doesn't do any better, fwiw). 54s, 75s, T9o do meaningfully better.
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