AQ against possible AK or better?

pokahpaul · #1 01-24-2005, 10:44 PM

my read on BB: semi-tight agressive player

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (14 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Hojglad · #2 01-24-2005, 10:47 PM

Looks like a pumped flush draw to me on the flop. I might apply Clarkmeister's theorem and bet the river planning to fold to a raise. AK does not check here.

btspider · #3 01-24-2005, 10:49 PM

raise PF. you are giving up a ton of value by just limping.

you can't protect your hand here, but your equity should be enough to put some more bets in postflop. i'd raise the turn blank.

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i believe clark's theorem is mostly for heads-up situations where you are out of position... on 4-flush boards.

shadow29 · #4 01-24-2005, 10:52 PM

Raise pf, raise the turn.

Hojglad · #5 01-24-2005, 10:52 PM

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i believe clark's theorem is mostly for heads-up situations where you are out of position... on 4-flush boards.

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It is, I think this is a situation (albeit slightly modified) where it can be safely applied, though. I can't imagine what other purpose everyone would have for calling down.

Aaron W. · #6 01-24-2005, 11:35 PM

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Looks like a pumped flush draw to me on the flop. I might apply Clarkmeister's theorem and bet the river planning to fold to a raise. AK does not check here.

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That's not what Clarkmeister's Theorem actually says...

Hojglad · #7 01-24-2005, 11:52 PM

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Looks like a pumped flush draw to me on the flop. I might apply Clarkmeister's theorem and bet the river planning to fold to a raise. AK does not check here.

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That's not what Clarkmeister's Theorem actually says...

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Yes, this has already been pointed out and I responded. Sorry about the mixup. The only reasons I could see for calling by the other players would be the flush draw, Ax, which we aren't particularly worried about, or the OESD. The OESD didn't hit, the flush draw did. My contention is that if our hero bets the river and gets raised, he loses. It was a pseudo-Clark situation.

AngelicPenguin · #8 01-25-2005, 12:24 AM

Have to raise this one preflop.
I'd probably play the rest the way you did, but I'm probably too passive when someone shows strong aggressive. I wouldn't personally 3-bet TT - KK, w/ the Ace down or AT - AJ so maybe I give him too much credit to do likewise.

Did he have KQ of diamonds?

pokahpaul · #9 01-25-2005, 02:10 AM

BB had AA

Hojglad · #10 01-25-2005, 02:48 AM

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BB had AA

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He sure played it like a sissy on the river, then.