KQ missing the flop and I'm lost

[rannerboy]

Hi!

I've been checking this forum out for a while and decided it's time for me to get my game together by posting some hands!

In situations like this one I often find myself having absolutely no idea what to do.

No really good reads on the players but UTG seems a bit like a LAG.

Any comments appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero ???

[sublime]

hey welcome to the forums. nice first post, well constructed.

preflop and flop are fine of course, and calling the turn is pretty simple.

[bernie]

I'd bet the flop.

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[brettbrettr]

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I'd bet the flop.



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[sean c]

Good post I would have bet the flop but as it was played i would lean toward folding to the turn bet you have eight outs to the straight and overpairs and are likely drawing dead to the flush.

[crunchy1]

Turn call is pretty easy given the overcards, gutshot and flush draw. If UTG is a true LAG then he's mostly likely bluffing to pick up the pot here with nothing or a weak holding at best and you have up to 18 outs (or more) in this spot. Getting 4.25:1 from the pot with odds to win at around 2:1 seems to be an easy call.

I agree with bernie though - bet the flop. Even with the flush draw (and you've got the backdoor), this is still a fairly disconnected flop. I've seen more and more lately where a flop bet and a turn bet after your pre-flop raise will win you the pot in this situation. And if the turn card is scary instead of improving your hand like it did here I think that you'll see a free river more often than not.

[crunchy1]

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Good post I would have bet the flop but as it was played i would lean toward folding to the turn bet you have eight outs to the straight and overpairs and are likely drawing dead to the flush.

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I respectfully disagree here. If the UTG was a LAG, I don't think that you can be so certain on Hero being dead to the flush. I think that most LAG's would be semi-bluffing with their flush draw on the flop here (Unless it's a smart LAG who expects the raiser to bet and so he can suck the other two players in for calls, but again, if it's a true LAG, I don't expect that play out of them). Even more so I would expect a true LAG to bet many weak hands in an effort to pick up this pot. I weighed in that a flop bet was in order here, but having played it the way you did, I think that a turn call is pretty easy.

Of course, the last option would be to raise. If you get three-bet on the turn a fold is easy and you only lose two bets (which you probably would've lost calling down again on the river anyways). On the other hand a raise will represent the flush, may possibly knock out the Button/BB increasing your outs on the river and it could also win the pot for you on the river if the right card comes and you bet.

[sublime]

I'd bet the flop.

i can see that, although i dont think it matters much.

[sean c]

crunchy I dont disagree with your point but if bb stays and a diamond hits the river and bb checks utg bets whats the play then? I just hate being in tough spots like this for a small pots. I'm saving my money for a better spot.

[chief444]

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if bb stays and a diamond hits the river and bb checks utg bets whats the play then?

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Call.