Raising with small PP on the button

[PokerBob]

Typical small stakes game. 4-6 limpers to Hero on the button with 22 - 77. Hero raises. Does this move make sense? Is it +EV?

I have some opinions about it, but I want to here eveyone elses opinion.

Please comment.

PBob

[Larimani]

I've always wondered about that actually. I makes sense to raise if everyone just called your raise. If the SB or BB 3-bets you lose ev.

[sfwusc]

What happens if an Ace or King flops with your set card?

Now you are going to kill a lot of the action, right?

Might help if you get an Ace King flop with no set card---assuming a bluff would work.

[Harv72b]

Never thought much about it. Off the top of my head...

Positives:
-You might get a free turn, giving you four chances to hit your set instead of three.
-You gain increased fold equity on the flop and turn.
-If you do flop your set, you are probably going to get a lot more action than you normally would, especially if the board is all rags.
-The larger pot size encourages more draws to stay in when you hit your set.
-Showing down a winner after raising with 22 can only increase your action later.

Negatives:
-You're burning one more SB than necessary to shoot for a set against a lot of opponents. In most SS games, you can get to the turn anyway for 1 more SB.
-The larger pot size decreases your increased fold equity. That made sense to me.
-Your typical SS player doesn't know that he's not supposed to bet into a PFR when the flop pairs his 9 kicker, lessening the chances of a free card.
-Not raising allows you to represent the scariest hand that anyone can imagine if the flop is checked to you. Nobody's going to give a PFR credit for the straight on a 256 flop, but they might believe a button limper enough to fold the turn.
-If you do hit your set on an A or K high flop, you're probably going to get less action than if you'd limped.

I'm sure I'll think more about it later, but at least on first impression I think the negatives outweigh the positives.

[Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)]

Some people like this move, I hate it because I think it kills your implied odds.

[onegymrat]

I love this play. If you think it's wrong, you might as well fold preflop.

[Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)]

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I love this play. If you think it's wrong, you might as well fold preflop.

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This is a rather sweeping statement.

[donger]

Won't this play increase the likelihood of people checking to you on the button? Wouldn't you like to slip in, flop a set, then be able to protect it against backdoor draws, gutshots, etc by raising a bet in front of you?

[PokerBob]

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Won't this play increase the likelihood of people checking to you on the button? Wouldn't you like to slip in, flop a set, then be able to protect it against backdoor draws, gutshots, etc by raising a bet in front of you?

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What if the bet is from EP?

[TheManInBlack]

Raising with a small PP? I thought size didn't matter? At least that's what the ladies like us to think.