Big pot, scary river card

belloc · #1 01-15-2005, 07:11 PM

I have two hands from my latest session where the pot was pretty big (15 or more BB), where I was fairly sure I was in good shape until the river card fell. One hand given here, the next in the reply.

Hand 1: CO is LAG (only 20 hands on him, though), and BB is a tricky LAG who is easily beaten by raising his bets and reraising his raises postflop (he almost unblinkingly folds if he has nothing, continues if he has a hand). What are we putting these guys on after fourth street?

I think my river bet is a spew, but I pretty much just moved my mouse to the right and clicked until it broke; the CO raise on the river made me think of course, but I called because the pot was big.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 5 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BB caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

belloc · #2 01-15-2005, 07:20 PM

Hand 2: UTG+1 is BB from last hand (tricky LAG), BB is CO from last hand (LAG with only 20 hands), SB is a Rock, button (PFR) is LA-P.

I think the river is an easy fold for me, but my questions are about the earlier streets. I don't normally play mid suited connectors from MP1 on an average table, but this table was pretty laggy. It had a good chance of being raised preflop by just about anyone (and thus any two cards), and I was pretty certain of seeing the flop with at least four or five others even if it was raised. I know who the rocks and other tighties are, so I know if the raise comes from them, I need to tread carefully.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (17.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, SB 3-bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

rmarotti · #3 01-15-2005, 07:59 PM

River value bet is tasty. If the guy's a true LAG you can 3-bet his already counterfeited 5,6 two pair. I think a call is fine though.

rmarotti · #4 01-15-2005, 08:01 PM

2 cold? I'd say you're just about toast. Anyone else think differently? 1:10 enough to justify a fishy cold-call?