Right to lay this down?

MWC · #1 01-14-2005, 10:15 PM

I'm new to ring games, and while I think initial signs are positive (after 3K Party .5/1 hands: VPIP is 17%, PFR 6%, post-flop aggr. 2.0 -- these seem to be in the right ballpark, no?), my NY's resolution is to start posting hands so I can start improving.

Weak fold here? 1st orbit, no reads.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 raises, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 raises, Button 3-bets, Hero folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (20.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

meanjean · #2 01-14-2005, 10:29 PM

I don't lay this down.

Here's why: By the time it gets back to you there is 16.5 BB in the pot, which in my opinion is a large pot so I don't want to make a mistake and lose it for 2BB. I would only have to have the best hand one in 8 times to show a profit from this call. You have two pair, with a pair higher than the board. How many hands are you behind that would call a raise? 44, 22, KK, A2.

my $0.02
feel free to argue

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) · #3 01-14-2005, 10:29 PM

This looks good. A raise and 3-bet on the turn means someone's got a better hand than you.

Did you just call the flop raise planning on checkraising the turn? If not, then you should have been, or you should have 3-bet the flop.

Shillx · #4 01-14-2005, 10:33 PM

Yeah I probably fold here, but what is up with the flop/turn play? Either 3-bet the flop (almost certainly the best play) or check the turn and see what the action is.

Brad

Georgia Peach · #5 01-14-2005, 10:34 PM

It looks like a good laydown until the river. It seems the UTG might have JJ or TT while the other two might have been chasing the same flush. I thought the button had a set or FH with his action on the turn. But it sure don't seem that way. The river is sure an odd one.

Rough hand to start a game with, with no reads.

PoBoy321 · #6 01-14-2005, 11:12 PM

3-bet the flop. If anything, the 2 on the turn probably helped your hand, giving you Aces and 2s which is going to beat any Kx that could possibly catch an x on the river. The only hands you're really behind here are KK and something with a 2, which is unlikely in a 3-bet preflop pot.

RED_RAIN · #7 01-14-2005, 11:44 PM

You really need to 3 bet this flop. Being the flush draw and the people stuck in between, you want them to pay to out draw you.

Also, the stop n go isn't correct in this situation.

The fold on the turn isn't that good. I would easily call this down unless I knew for a fact that MP1 would cap it.

MP1 could easily have KQ or AK, Qs, Js.

MWC · #8 01-15-2005, 12:26 AM

Thanks, all. Yeah, I look back and can't imagine why I didn't 3-bet the flop. I play not goot. The turn raise and 3-bet behind convinced me that someone had me beat and I figured it was going to be 4+ BBs to get to a showdown.

(Results: MP1 had K-rag, I discover later that Button [T9o] is a total LAG and UTG had KQ. Not to be results-oriented, but whoops.)