Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-14-2005, 03:52 PM
maxpowers21 maxpowers21 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 4
Default JJ hand turn decision

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Not sure how to play this turn out of position with 3 callers on a fairly uncoordinated flop.

I think i will be beat here enough given the pot size to not want to see a showdown for 2 BB's with this many players. I think I will be up agaisnt at least Kings too often so i think check folding is the most profitable play. +0 EV. But, check folding seems a weak tight as well.
Also, since the bet was from the button on the turn should I take into account there is a greater chance I'm good here. Thoughts on the turn play?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-14-2005, 03:57 PM
7ontheline 7ontheline is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: My dog will eat MicroBob\'s cat.
Posts: 339
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

Looks weak-tight to me. This is indeed a pain because you are in the worst position, but I would keep firing until someone came back at you. What are your reads? What is your table image? Do people know that you'll fold to any aggression? Are you tight and people usually give you credit for a hand? Or will people look you up because you play lots of hands? These are all important questions.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-14-2005, 04:06 PM
maxpowers21 maxpowers21 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 4
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

It's a typical party 3-6 game so people will call with damn anythnig and not think much about table image anyways. And honestly i don't remember, i was 6-tabling at the time. The pot is only 6.5BB's though on the turn and i'm out of position, so this seems like a difficult decision still on whether to fire a 2nd bullet into this pot. Also, if the board was more coordinated i would bet the turn much more easily, but the board makes it very likely i'm up against at least kings, even for the 3-6 party game.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-14-2005, 04:27 PM
maxpowers21 maxpowers21 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 4
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

BUMP
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-14-2005, 05:50 PM
Token Token is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 64
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

My turn plays in order of preference would be to:
Bet the turn.
Check the turn then raise.
Check the turn and then call it down.

I think that most players would call the flop since it is only a small bet. You really need to bet the turn to find out who's serious. Also, since you were the pre-flop raiser, you might get a king with a weak kicker to fold.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-14-2005, 06:05 PM
WillMagic WillMagic is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Cupertino, CA (formerly DC)
Posts: 250
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

I don't mind your turn check at all. This is a bad board for a lot of hands, so when all three players call you, you are right to be worried. However, when the two middle players check behind you and the last player bets, you have to realize that your hand actually looks pretty good. MP3 could easily be betting a hand like TT, 99, 88, A7, and even 66 and 55. You can't fold here...in fact, a check-raise is in order.

Will
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-14-2005, 06:56 PM
lil' lil' is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,761
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

Don't stop betting. The three of clubs is not scary.

Betting is better than going for the check raise, because you don't want this getting checked through.

Check folding is horrendous.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-14-2005, 08:15 PM
me454555 me454555 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 566
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

Did you notice you had some flush outs?

Bet the turn, call a raise. Fold the river if you get raised on the turn, otherwise call down.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-14-2005, 09:42 PM
bicyclekick bicyclekick is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Morris, MN
Posts: 416
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

I'm betting that turn. If I get raised it's probably a fold but it depends on your notes/read of the player.

Check/folding the turn is bad weak poker. I'm probably check/calling the river, though. depends too.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-14-2005, 09:49 PM
Hojglad Hojglad is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 0
Default Re: JJ hand turn decision

[ QUOTE ]
Did you notice you had some flush outs?


[/ QUOTE ]
Flush outs? Where? A flush is mathematically impossible for him after the flop.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.