5/10 6 max aq hand

BK_ · #1 01-14-2005, 12:13 AM

hi. i started limit about a week ago so still unsure about alot of things. should i be betting or checking this turn? the flop 3 bet seems automatic given the times he is on a flush draw.

possible reasons against betting:
he could have a jack
he could bluff c/r me with a draw after being so aggressive on the flop
he could have flopped something better than me to begin with
if i am ahead he still has big outs

basically if i bet i am hoping he has a draw and wont hit. better to just check here and call a bet? he will often throw in a bet with a worse hand probably if i check, and i minimize my losses if he has me beat. thoughts?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB folds, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB raises, MP folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

edit: no reads that i can remember, hand happened a couple days ago. assume he is normal 30/15 player

BK_ · #2 01-14-2005, 12:26 AM

hi just thought about it some more, let me know if i am off here.

If he has lower ace I lose 1 bet.

If he has a jack or AK, I bet, and call down, I save 2 bets

If he has a flush draw, I lose .8 bets in value by missing a turn value bet, but I gain part if not all of that back by inducing a bluff from busted draws on the river.

So it seems that checking the turn here is somwhere between .5BB and 1BB better? (assuming draw, lower ace, and higher ace/jack are equally likely. if we decrease the probability of jack or AK, which now i realize is necessary, betting becomes +EV. i bet he would have to have a jack or AK here 20% of the time or so for checking to be close)

bunky9590 · #3 01-14-2005, 12:49 AM

Bet the turn, too much NL has warped you brain. that is a classic NL move that doesnt work so well in most limit situations. This being one of them.

Joe826 · #4 01-14-2005, 01:12 AM

what bunky said, plus i think you can fold to a check/raise here a good percentage of the time. anyone think folding to a turn c/r is bad given a typical 5/10'er?