Comments on QQ Please

sf340flier · #1 01-11-2005, 04:25 PM

The SB was a rock. The CO was a loose maniac just donating all night. I was sure with the 3-bet and raising that the SB was on AA or AKs (which I hoped) or the KK (which I feared). I was only concerned about the J10 from the CO, not the SB because of the PF action. Wondering about my turn and river play...still agonizing over this hand.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero caps, SB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero caps, SB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (24.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 27.50 BB

Hack · #2 01-11-2005, 04:29 PM

3bet the turn. If he caps raise the river and call a 3bet. He wouldn't 3bet you preflop with 10J so the only hand you are worried about is a set of kings. Set over set is so unlikely.

So 3bet the turn and raise the river, calling a 3bet.

tiltaholic · #3 01-11-2005, 04:32 PM

Hi.
welcome.
I'd 3-bet the turn. Especially since all the others are calling everything and padding the pot. If he caps I'd call down on the river. i'm not folding this set here.
-t

wcsherry · #4 01-11-2005, 04:33 PM

i don't think 3-betting the turn is unreasonable here, if the SB decides to cap i'm calling down on the river and cursing my luck if the SB flips over pocket kings

btspider · #5 01-11-2005, 04:35 PM

3-bet turn. if he caps and leads the river, just call without an excessive aggro read. he's not putting that much action in with TPTK or an overpair.

wcsherry · #6 01-11-2005, 04:38 PM

quick question - if we are capped on the turn by the SB who was read to be a rock, how likely is it that we're beaten?

i only ask because i don't understand raising the river and calling a 3 bet after a rock has capped the turn

DeathDonkey · #7 01-11-2005, 04:42 PM

How big of a rock? It matters alot here. A big rock I would play it like you did. A little rock who is just a too tight TAG I would 3 bet the turn before calling down if he caps. I don't think you have to worry about CO at all here.

-DeathDonkey

btspider · #8 01-11-2005, 04:49 PM

[ QUOTE ]
quick question - if we are capped on the turn by the SB who was read to be a rock, how likely is it that we're beaten?

i only ask because i don't understand raising the river and calling a 3 bet after a rock has capped the turn

[/ QUOTE ]

if he caps the turn, i'd say maybe we have a 10-20% chance of having the best hand.. mostly hoping that our read is an insufficient sample size.

you have to be 67% sure you have the best hand on the river (if you plan to call it) to raise his river bet.

you only have to be good 4% of the time to make calling the river correct.

notice that to raise-fold the river, you'd have to be 67% sure you had the best hand to raise, but then somehow be 97% sure you are beaten to make folding correct. raise-fold would be terrible.

i did say call the river btw.. not sure if you thought i was saying raise or not.

wcsherry · #9 01-11-2005, 04:52 PM

sorry, was referring to hack's post

Shillx · #10 01-11-2005, 04:52 PM

This hand is perfect to just call the flop 3-bet, and raise everyone on the turn. If he makes it 3-bets and has KK, so be it. The flop cap really makes little sense in this spot.

Brad