Hand with decisions on each street Part Une

[partygirluk]

PokerStars $15 Turbo No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1540)
MP2 (t1470)
CO (t1290)
Hero (t3170)
SB (t1750)
BB (t1280)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font>

This is an age old debate so what is my move here? Depending on how I feel, I shall either make 3 new posts or continue the and in this one. I think the river is particularly interesting.

[Unarmed]

Raise to 90 and for me this is now automatic because:

- You can take it down PF if the limpers fold.
- You can take it down on the flop if you hit an ace or queen.
- You can take it down on the flop if you whiff, have &lt;3 callers and they check to you.

If you limp here, SB completes almost 100% of the time and BB checks. Now you're five handed on the flop, and:

- You can't take it down the 2/3 of the time you whiff because you haven't taken the lead PF and you have too many opponents.
- You can easily bust yourself on an A-rag-rag flop to some cheesey two pair, and you'll never know where you're at at any point because there's always going to be a couple weirdo draws out there in addition to potential made hands that have you beat.

For this reason, in NL I will either raise or fold AQ to a field of limpers, but I will never call. Many will disagree with this I'm sure.

[partygirluk]

I agree with the consensus that a raise is the way to go.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1540)
MP2 (t1470)
CO (t1290)
Hero (t3170)
SB (t1750)
BB (t1280)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60, MP1 calls t60.

Flop: (t330) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t20</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?</font>

What is the best way to procede, and what is the best way in general to treat these ultra weak leads?

[adanthar]

Raise to about 250 and check behind on the turn.

[partygirluk]

Right. But what about the NL concept don't bet when getting raised will make you throw up?

And these guys are offering me pretty sensational odds to draw, why should I turn it down.

[assron]

I'd put in a small raise, which may either take down the pot or give me a discounted river card.

[adanthar]

Because you're also *good* most of the time, but whether you are or not, you want KJ/55 to fold. That second guy definitely has something of that type.

[syka16]

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Right. But what about the NL concept don't bet when getting raised will make you throw up?



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You probably still have the best hand. You're slightly ahead of JJ so I don't see any problem with building the pot.

[johnnyblaze]

personally i would reraise here. you have a very nice draw to the nuts with 2 overcards. Their bet was super weak, and for all they know you could have raised preflop with pocket kings or aces. So i would probably reraise his bet of twenty to about 60 or so,, that, way you are showing strength and it will knock people out of the hand and possibly allow you to buy a free card on the turn. If your bet is reraised again i would consider what the pot odds are for you to call the bet

[partygirluk]

Reraising to 60 is pretty bad play. You are using the size of their bets as a guide to the size of your bets, when the pot size is the more relevant variable.