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Old 01-10-2005, 06:07 PM
MN_Mime MN_Mime is offline
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Default KQs at the turn with K67K board

The cast:
BB - loose, doesn't read the board well, bets a lot post-flop but generally passive in the face of resistance. Down about $50 over a couple hours
MP1 - calling station and down a rack or two over several hours.
CO - new, but nothing special yet.
Hero - Nowhere close to tight, but invariably I'm the guy low-limit players don't want involved in their pots. Take that however you will...


9-handed 3/6 B & M game. Hero is MP2 with black KQs

UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
MP1 limps
HERO raises
MP3 folds
CO calls
Button folds
SB folds


(4 players)

Flop: K67 black two tone and I've got the small piece of the flush

BB bets
MP1 calls
Hero calls
CO folds


(3 players)

Turn: Red King


BB bets
MP1 calls
Hero raises
BB 3-bets
MP1 folds
Hero 4-bets
BB calls

I'll save my commentary for follow up...


Pot at turn: 12.67 BB
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Old 01-10-2005, 06:17 PM
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) is offline
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board

Hey MN_Mime,

Raise the flop and go from there.
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Old 01-10-2005, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board

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Hey MN_Mime,

Raise the flop and go from there.

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Always?

This was one of those times that I decided to slow it down and see what develops. Sure, I have a vulnerable hand and am probably way ahead, but I also have customers to consider and some redraws if I'm behind.

I was beating myself up a little for not betting when CO folded, but I was pretty sure I was ahead of a weaker K.

What do you think of the turn action?
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Old 01-10-2005, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board

Given that you called the flop, I think the turn cap is ok if you think BB would play any King this way.

I think a flop raise in this spot is a must to maximize the value you get out of KQ when you flop top pair. As an added bonus you are likely to fold out the CO (even though he folded for just one bet here.
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board - Results

River - 2H

BB Bets
Hero Raises
BB Calls

BB shows K6o and the winner. I was behind the whole way with a good number of outs. Didn't keep him around, though. Took him about an hour or so to bust out.

Understanding that for whatever reason the flow of the game caused me to slow play a vulnerable hand... (at the time, I think I was conscious of the fact that I might be raising more than my share of hands)...

Q: Is the turn cap correct?

Q: Is the river raise overplaying my hand?
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board

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Given that you called the flop, I think the turn cap is ok if you think BB would play any King this way.


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Honestly, I don't know what else he could have been playing here. The 3-bet made me consider the possibility that he flopped a set and filled up on the turn, but that just didn't feel right. It seemed more likely that he put me on a big pocket or overs pair that missed and thought I was making a move on him.
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board

Raise the flop.
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board - Results

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BB - loose, doesn't read the board well, bets a lot post-flop but generally passive in the face of resistance.

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I would say the turn cap is OK but I'm just calling the river.
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board

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Always?



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Always. Always. Always.

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This was one of those times that I decided to slow it down and see what develops. Sure, I have a vulnerable hand and am probably way ahead, but I also have customers to consider and some redraws if I'm behind.


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The board is very draw-heavy. You need to charge those draws. Not raising here is a major mistake IMO.

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What do you think of the turn action?

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I like it, but if you were at Canterbury I'd be a little scared, cuz people at 3/6 RARELY 3-bet unless they have the goods. That said, I like your play and you are probably good here.
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: KQs at the turn with K67K board - Results

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River - 2H

BB Bets
Hero Raises
BB Calls

BB shows K6o and the winner. I was behind the whole way with a good number of outs. Didn't keep him around, though. Took him about an hour or so to bust out.

Understanding that for whatever reason the flow of the game caused me to slow play a vulnerable hand... (at the time, I think I was conscious of the fact that I might be raising more than my share of hands)...

Q: Is the turn cap correct?

Q: Is the river raise overplaying my hand?

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I think I just call the river, cuz he keeps on coming.
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