after limp-reraising AA...

willie24 · #1 01-07-2005, 03:09 PM

i've just arrived at this table. i haven't regularly played NL on this site in over a month, so i have no reads. (except that the table in general is passive...and leaning slightly towards tight.) this is the highest NL game going at the moment at this particular site.

MP1 has $167. BB has $85. hero has both covered.
NL holdem, $1 BB. 7 handed.
Hero is UTG with AA

Hero calls. folded to MP1 who raises to $2. folded to BB who calls. Hero raises to $10. MP1 calls. BB folds.

flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($20.80)

Hero bets $15. MP1 calls.

turn: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($49.30)

hero checks, MP1 checks.

river: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($49.30)

hero checks, MP1 bets $20, hero calls.

comments please. (i may be a little bit rusty at NL)

amoeba · #2 01-07-2005, 03:26 PM

its one of those, I think I am beat but I call anyways things.

krazyace5 · #3 01-07-2005, 03:50 PM

I guess I don't get why you slowed down on the turn here. Villain could have AK AQ, lots of hands you have beat, why the check on the turn?

willie24 · #4 01-07-2005, 04:32 PM

the turn check is basically the reason for the post. i think it was right but i am not sure. it's what i want feedback on.

my reasoning:

1. it is obvious that I have AA. I expect my opponent to assume that i have AA, especially if i bet 3/4 the pot on the turn.

2. there is no draw that i fear. i am okay with giving a free card.

3. MP1 called the flop. to me this means one of a couple things: he is very weak relative to me (AK or AQ or non-set PP) or he is slowplaying QQ or maybe even KK or KQ, (though both are less likely), or he has JJ and has made a set on the turn. if he is weak he will likely fold to the turn bet, if he is strong i will end up allin on the turn.

4. MP1 may have AK, which is semi-strong but way behind me. If he does have AK, i think he will bet the turn after i check, thus betting my hand for me. he may even bet my hand for me with AQ or 77.

so in general, i check because i want to keep the pot relatively small. i think i am more likely to lose an allin than win one...and i think i am more likely to win a (relatively) small pot than lose one.

since i believe that i do not especially need to protect my hand from being outdrawn, i think i gain more from the petty bets i gain by letting him bet the turn (and the bets i save by letting him make small bets with monsters) than i gain from betting big and getting called by say- AK (but also getting put allin by QQQ).

Tilt · #5 01-07-2005, 04:35 PM

Id make a bigger bet on the flop and then smash the turn again with a pot sized bet. If he calls those I might be convinced by then to slow down if I am not too committed.

CheckFold · #6 01-07-2005, 04:51 PM

I think there's a decent chance that your opponent did not put you on AA and partially suspects some random move on your part. So from the minraise and 'oh-what-the hell' call of a big reraise preflop I could see an online player having something like KJ, meaning he could well have 9 outs on the turn.

This isn't pot limit, so I'm not so sure of the merits of keeping the pot small...were you prepared to call any sized bet on the turn? I think your chances of losing him on the turn are pretty small given the flop call and the chance that you actually do want to protect your hand are greater than you think.

willie24 · #7 01-07-2005, 04:57 PM

good points.

yes i was prepared to call an allin on the turn...knowing that MP1 would probably only go allin with AK, 99, or something like KJ...TT.

i was prepared to fold should MP1 bet small on the turn and huge on the river

willie24 · #8 01-07-2005, 05:11 PM

NOTE: when writing this post i mistakenly said that JJ made a set on the turn, when in fact it would have on the river.

so JJ falls under the category of hands the opponent might have that will fold on the turn (rather than put me allin on the turn)

willie24 · #9 01-07-2005, 05:19 PM

also- to further clarify this:

i went through my thoughts on a lot of possible hands- but i should mention that 3 the hands I expect to see MOST OFTEN are: AK, QQ, and AQ.

i don't know if this assumption is right or not. it's what i was thinking at the time.

CheckFold · #10 01-07-2005, 05:46 PM

I really wouldn't expect to see AK or QQ given the preflop line. Possibly AQ, but really the hands I expect most often are KQ, KJ, AJ.