Interesting turn C/R

[MicroBob]

Party 15/30.

The BB is a fairly well-known 2+2'er....at least he has the same name as a 2+2'er so this is my assumption.
In my new p-tracker database (for 2005) I have 64 hands on him, VP-11, PFR-7.8. small sample obviously.


Since I think most of the more experienced 2+2'ers who are playing 15/30 are better than me (many of them SIGNIFICANTLY better than me) including the BB in question I was wondering what some of you thought of this play.
Is it truly as bizarre as I think it is??


I do not know if the BB knows that I am a 2+2'er although I suspect there is a decent chance that he does.
maybe thinks I am capable of laying-down some possible hands here. not sure.


I raise AsAC UTG.
UTG+1 calls. BB calls.

3 to the flop
T63r

BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 and BB both call.

Turn
7 (two spades)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, BB C/R's!!!, I call

River
9 (no flush)
BB bets, I call


BB has 6h, 5h
My AA is good.

[Stork]

Looks like he was trying to protect his top pair or semi-bluff a flush draw. I don't think you can laydown an overpair on a relatively tame board to a turn checkraise.

[MicroBob]

Not sure if you saw at the bottom of the post that the BB had 65s for a pair of 6's (and an inside-straight draw).

i wasn't going to lay-down here....I was more curious about his play because it confused the hell out of me.

[imported_stealthcow]

seems weird to me. of teh hands you'd raise utg with here the only ones you lay down are AJ and AQ

[mplspoker]

3 bet turn.... Please explain why the hell you would think your behind.... Very weak IMO. You need to get full value out of your hands, especially the best one in poker.

[MicroBob]

when a respected 2+2'er pops a C/R on me I have to think of the possibility that I'm behind to a 2-pair or a set.

[mplspoker]

ok. but i just can't imagine that it's not EV+ to pop it once more on the turn - regardless of what you think about the player, unless he/she is the most conservative player on the earth and you know that for a fact. I don't think there are many "respected posters" that wouldn't 3-bet that in my opinion.... although I could be wrong. It's value bottom line in my opinion.

[Michael Davis]

"I don't think there are many "respected posters" that wouldn't 3-bet that in my opinion.... although I could be wrong."

His opponent in this hand isn't a regular Party monkey, and he has position so a bet is going in on the river for sure.

-Michael

[Stork]

I think I like 3-betting better here as well. Sure you're drawing slim to a set, but you have enough outs against two pair, and you'll be ahead much of the time here and when you are he wil usually have no more than 8 outs against you.

[BobbyTheG]

Interesting play obviously. I don't mind not three betting here. I think it's easier to say "three bet it" when you know the outcome of the hand. Obviously you are calling on the river regardless. Maybe he was varying his play. When someone check raises on the turn, obviously he is representing two pair or a set. One of the poker nuggets that's always true (except for the times that it isn't) is that when you get check raised on the turn, one pair isn't good. Maybe he put you on a bigger pocket pair and thought he could get off of it. Maybe he put you on AK. I don't totally hate his play, as long as he is doing it to vary his play, but it's awful, awful poker if used regularly.