B&M hand play, QQ

[holdemfan]

I just got in from a good night at the local B&M 10/20 game.
Had one hand that stuck out. I would like to get some thoughts on the play.
Table is slightly loose although this hand had more in than normal 4 or 5.
Im BB With QQ. 5 limpers including SB. I know that a raise will not eliminate more than one or if lucky 2 and it will only give drawing hands more reason to stay and alert others of my holding. I check.
<font color="blue">3BB 6players </font>
Flop K,X,Q
SB ck, I know someone will bet the K Q or draw so I ck. It goes to MP who will not bet unless he has a good piece, he bets. B fold, SB fold I raise, UTG fold EP calls.

<font color="blue">6BB 3 players </font>
Turn is a rag making a rainbow. I bet, EP folds, MP calls.

<font color="blue"> 8 BB 2players </font>
River K. I bet, MP raises, I 3 bet, MP 4 bet I slow down and call.
I will post the results after your thoughts.

[BaronVonCP]

raise preflop, that's 5 SBs you can collect with the best hand that is a favorite to win at the end.

I'd bet the flop, get raised, then I'd 3 bet.


When you say MP will not bet without a bood piece, does this mean it has to be better than top pair? if so your river play is suspect as well.

[Russ McGinley]

Bet preflop. You have the best hand, so put some money in. A lot of times people, especially in live games, think you are a maniac raising from the BB. I've had people glare at me for raising from the BB like I'm putting a move on them or just being a dick.

I like the flop check but I'd wait until the turn to raise unless you are afraid of an ace, jack, or ten and possibly hitting someone's straight.

I'd have to figure your hand is good on the river. If MP had two pair before the river you probably would have heard about it. He's certainly got a K and is usually overplaying it because you checked. I'd hammer it.

[bisonbison]

preflop: terrible.
flop: bad.
turn: good.
river: hey, it'd be nice to have a read or know what the rags were, but sure.

[holdemfan]

Okay the preflop was bad.

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flop: bad.

[/ QUOTE ] I felt it worked well, explain?

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river: hey, it'd be nice to have a read or know what the rags were, but sure.

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Sorry it was about 7 hours and hundreds of hands ago. I don't remember.

[River2Pair]

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Okay the preflop was bad.

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flop: bad.

[/ QUOTE ] I felt it worked well, explain?

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You have to raise big pairs in BB. You're right, nobody is going to fold preflop. That's a good thing.

Because with more money in the pot, people will (correctly) call down with more marginal hands, and you win more money.

Punish them for coming into your pot with trash.

[bodi]

The preflop raise isnt too eliminate people, you win to every one of their calls. I'm not sure about the flop, could someone explain why you wouldnt check raise here?

[River2Pair]

also, i would 5-bet and call a 6-bet on the river, of course unless you think he'd only be this aggressive with kings full and not just AK. In that case I would bet/call.

[holdemfan]

I'm getting a universal raise preflop so I'll accept but I like the deception factor. The raise preflop is in part to eliminate some of the field because big pairs don't do as well in multi pots.

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I'm not sure about the flop, could someone explain why you wouldnt check raise here?

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I actually think the check raise on flop was the best move. Still wondering why it wouldn't be. I may bet and get more limpers calling untill MP raised but then more callers to out draw me.
Im sure he put me on a K.


Final result:
I have a full house Qs over Ks
MP shows KQ and the K on the river gave him a full house Ks over Qs.
Yes the vote is out to have raised preflop but the winner was shocked to see my boat. He said we still would have battled on the river with his two pair because he thought I had a K and he obviously didn't care about the kicker. He planned on pulling the trigger on the river either way. Thus making my deception valid. I probaby could have taken in a few more bets on the river had it not have been another K.

[holdemfan]

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Because with more money in the pot, people will (correctly) call down with more marginal hands, and you win more money.


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one of those marginal hands could be JT or AT. Trips won't beat a straight.